Re: [opensuse-testing] Re: [opensuse-marketing] OpenSUSE testing team (fwd)
Hi, Frankly I don't think the -testing ML is subscribed by a high number of readers, and I'm I bit bored of being redirected from wiki to -project to -marketing and then to -testing. If the idea has to be done, let's discuss of it, or let's drop it. This division of mailing lists is completely arbitrary and artificial, and it is one of the problems that make participation harder in openSUSE. This discussion in my view had to be done in a high traffic ML, and that's why I started it in -project, so that most of the people could read it. If it happens on a small, specific and mainly technical ML, it won't surely attract any new participant, which is what, in the end, happens with many of the initiatives we have, that stay well hidden in the wiki or in some ML. And it is also the reasons why I and others didn't know of the existance of the -testing IRC channel and ML when the idea came out. Regards, A. Il giorno ven, 13/03/2009 alle 18.24 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber ha scritto:
This really should also be on the openSUSE testing list.
-- Boyd Gerber
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To: opensuse-marketing@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] OpenSUSE testing team Il giorno ven, 13/03/2009 alle 08.18 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua ha scritto:
Any chance you could post the slides on the wiki? We can start driving the discussion a bit more if we can point people to the wiki.
Yes, I'll add a link and point you there.
Hi, I added the link to the slides here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Testing_Team
A.
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On Samstag 14 März 2009 17:15:07 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Frankly I don't think the -testing ML is subscribed by a high number of readers, and I'm I bit bored of being redirected from wiki to -project to -marketing and then to -testing. Why we need more discussion Places? I think the Theme is in -project enough. But in -marketing,. i think it's off-topic -- Sincereley yours
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Il giorno sab, 14/03/2009 alle 17.39 +0100, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns ha scritto:
Why we need more discussion Places? I think the Theme is in -project enough. But in -marketing,. i think it's off-topic
I agree on this. We talked about that with Zonker, and I opened the discussion here by mistake, because I assumed both the testing discussion and the Geeko wants you! idea had to be reopened here. I think both don't belong to this ML, but I don't know why Geeko wants you! is marketing, when the real goal is to increase community participation and support. However, it seems pretty clear that I'm not really understanding the logic of all the ML at openSUSE. I just did what I've been told to do. In my view, Geeko wanst you! is a topic for -project, and the testing team is a topic for -factory. The -testing ML was (is?) practically unknown to a many of us before Daemon wrote about in his answer to my thread. For the future I sincerely hope the number of ML for users will be reduced well below 10. We can't really hope users and contributors subscribe and actively follow something like 10 ML, forums, wiki, bugzilla, openFATE and so on to be part of the community. It is a major obstacle, and it is making me really consider not to go on with the ideas of the testing team and the Geeko wants you initiatives. In these days I spent more time redirecting the communication to the "right channel" rather than actually discussing of the topics. It is unacceptable, and it does not happen in other communities, that were able to build a simple way to provide users a communication medium. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Samstag 14 März 2009 18:19:08 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno sab, 14/03/2009 alle 17.39 +0100, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns ha
scritto:
Why we need more discussion Places? I think the Theme is in -project enough. But in -marketing,. i think it's off-topic
I agree on this. We talked about that with Zonker, and I opened the discussion here by mistake, because I assumed both the testing discussion and the Geeko wants you! idea had to be reopened here. OK no problem :-) I just wondered. Wish you an nice evening ... -- Sincereley yours
Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com DISCLAIMER: Please note that in accordance with the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de http://www.ccc.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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