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did you notice this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-) The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this? Thanks, Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 30/10/2010 15:37, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
Thanks, Bryen
doesn't really matter :-) what is important is to insist on the sharing goal of openSUSE jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
jdd
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;) br gnokii
Thanks, Bryen
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On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:01 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
jdd
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
br gnokii
Thanks, Bryen
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:59:21 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:01 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
jdd
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
br gnokii
Thanks, Bryen
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks.
AFAIK before Vincent joined Novell and openSUSE, he was involved with Ubuntu. I've CC'ed him so that he can answer himself, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Le lundi 01 novembre 2010, à 20:27 +0100, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:59:21 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:01 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
jdd
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
br gnokii
Thanks, Bryen
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks.
AFAIK before Vincent joined Novell and openSUSE, he was involved with Ubuntu. I've CC'ed him so that he can answer himself,
Right. I was involved in Ubuntu a while ago (2004-2006, I'd say, before I chose to focus on GNOME), and I'm still an Ubuntu member. I'm following what's happening there, because I have friends in the Ubuntu world and because it's important for upstream GNOME. That being said, I'm much more a GNOME/openSUSE person than a Ubuntu/GNOME one (I'm using openSUSE, and I contributed much more to openSUSE than to Ubuntu). I guess it's safe to say that I don't represent Ubuntu in any way anymore, and I certainly wasn't at the openSUSE conference with a Ubuntu hat :-) If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-) cc'ing Gerfried so he knows about this. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
στις 01/11/2010 09:51 μμ, O/H Vincent Untz έγραψε:
If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-)
cc'ing Gerfried so he knows about this.
Vincent
Some of us used other distros as well. The next opinion doesn't include Vincent. Personally I think if everyone that uses openSUSE as second distro, is good for us. If we have 1% of their energy, we have many people contributing to openSUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi! * Vincent Untz <vuntz@novell.com> [2010-11-01 20:51:51 CET]:
Le lundi 01 novembre 2010, à 20:27 +0100, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:59:21 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:01 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote:
did you notice this?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
From what I can tell, Vincent is his own for a start, if any. :)
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks.
I clearified it in my blog entry where I also posted it to: <http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/debian/report-opensuse.html>
Right. I was involved in Ubuntu a while ago (2004-2006, I'd say, before I chose to focus on GNOME), and I'm still an Ubuntu member. I'm following what's happening there, because I have friends in the Ubuntu world and because it's important for upstream GNOME.
That being said, I'm much more a GNOME/openSUSE person than a Ubuntu/GNOME one (I'm using openSUSE, and I contributed much more to openSUSE than to Ubuntu). I guess it's safe to say that I don't represent Ubuntu in any way anymore, and I certainly wasn't at the openSUSE conference with a Ubuntu hat :-)
If it would make you lot feel better, I will send the same clearification to the mailinglist, too. Actually it seems that Vincent was there with as much Ubuntu hat as myself, or rather, me possibly more than him because I actually also have upload rights to Ubuntu. Still, frankly spoken, I am a fair bit astonished about the claiming that a person belongs to someone, especially exclusively, especially in the free software community. Yes, I should have done more research about Vincent, and I appoligize for not having done that, but the impression with Vincent's blog on Planet Ubuntu did lead to that, especially since planet ubuntu is explictly meant for ubuntu related stuff, like can be read in the Guidelines: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu>
If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-)
Right. I haven't claimed you to be exclusive, especially since I even stated Ubuntu/GNOME, and such exclusive thinking is in my personal opinion not really helping the overall though of "Collaboration across Borders". Actually the sort of responses somehow makes me think that collaboration might not really be appreciated, but then, this might also be a as skewed view as which I left with my report from the conference.
cc'ing Gerfried so he knows about this.
Thank you very much to give me the chance to explain how it came to this. Enjoy! Rhonda -- <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 34 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.feenode.net * ScottK hands dholbach an "r". <Rhonda> Are they fundraising again? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 02 November 2010, 07:42:20 schrieb Gerfried Fuchs:
Hi!
* Vincent Untz <vuntz@novell.com> [2010-11-01 20:51:51 CET]:
Le lundi 01 novembre 2010, à 20:27 +0100, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:59:21 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:01 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:
Am Samstag 30 Oktober 2010, 15:37:16 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 09:47 +0200, jdd wrote: > did you notice this? > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/10/msg00096.html
Are you subscribed to this list or is anyone else here subscribed? I'd like to have a correction to that posting but don't want to subscribe if i don't have to. :-)
The post associated Vuntz with Ubuntu. In fact, he's ours, not theirs! :-) Can someone correct this?
From what I can tell, Vincent is his own for a start, if any. :)
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks.
I clearified it in my blog entry where I also posted it to: <http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/debian/report-opensuse.html>
Right. I was involved in Ubuntu a while ago (2004-2006, I'd say, before I chose to focus on GNOME), and I'm still an Ubuntu member. I'm following what's happening there, because I have friends in the Ubuntu world and because it's important for upstream GNOME.
That being said, I'm much more a GNOME/openSUSE person than a Ubuntu/GNOME one (I'm using openSUSE, and I contributed much more to openSUSE than to Ubuntu). I guess it's safe to say that I don't represent Ubuntu in any way anymore, and I certainly wasn't at the openSUSE conference with a Ubuntu hat :-)
If it would make you lot feel better, I will send the same clearification to the mailinglist, too. Actually it seems that Vincent was there with as much Ubuntu hat as myself, or rather, me possibly more than him because I actually also have upload rights to Ubuntu.
Still, frankly spoken, I am a fair bit astonished about the claiming that a person belongs to someone, especially exclusively, especially in the free software community. Yes, I should have done more research about Vincent, and I appoligize for not having done that, but the impression with Vincent's blog on Planet Ubuntu did lead to that, especially since planet ubuntu is explictly meant for ubuntu related stuff, like can be read in the Guidelines: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu>
If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-)
Right. I haven't claimed you to be exclusive, especially since I even stated Ubuntu/GNOME, and such exclusive thinking is in my personal opinion not really helping the overall though of "Collaboration across Borders". Actually the sort of responses somehow makes me think that collaboration might not really be appreciated, but then, this might also be a as skewed view as which I left with my report from the conference.
cc'ing Gerfried so he knows about this.
Thank you very much to give me the chance to explain how it came to this.
Enjoy! Rhonda
Rhonda See there was a blogpost from Shuttleworth a lot of hot air in it, sending someone to the conference and pay for it. Did u see someone? I mean not vuntz, because he has a blog aggregated to planet.ubuntu.com. The question is deserve ubuntu credit for being on conference, deserve ubuntu credit for collaborate across borders? Many here think, they deserve it not, thats why this discussion came up. br gnokii p.s. I didnt saw in ur blogpost Mandriva/Mageia mentioned Collin Gulthrie was there ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi Gerfried, On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 07:42 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
From what I can tell, Vincent is his own for a start, if any. :)
That is probably correct - at the end of the day his master plan is to turn us all into french folk, he just chooses to use GNOME & free software as his tools to do so :-)
Had a little conversation with Rhonda after he published it, from his point of view he has right. So look after planet.ubuntu.com u can find there vuntz ;)
I don't understand. How does he have the right to say Vuntz represents Ubuntu? He's one of our folks.
I clearified it in my blog entry where I also posted it to: <http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/debian/report-opensuse.html>
I think basically what has happened here is a bit of misunderstanding and I'm sure no malice is meant.
Right. I was involved in Ubuntu a while ago (2004-2006, I'd say, before I chose to focus on GNOME), and I'm still an Ubuntu member. I'm following what's happening there, because I have friends in the Ubuntu world and because it's important for upstream GNOME.
That being said, I'm much more a GNOME/openSUSE person than a Ubuntu/GNOME one (I'm using openSUSE, and I contributed much more to openSUSE than to Ubuntu). I guess it's safe to say that I don't represent Ubuntu in any way anymore, and I certainly wasn't at the openSUSE conference with a Ubuntu hat :-)
If it would make you lot feel better, I will send the same clearification to the mailinglist, too. Actually it seems that Vincent was there with as much Ubuntu hat as myself, or rather, me possibly more than him because I actually also have upload rights to Ubuntu.
Still, frankly spoken, I am a fair bit astonished about the claiming that a person belongs to someone, especially exclusively, especially in the free software community. Yes, I should have done more research about Vincent, and I appoligize for not having done that, but the impression with Vincent's blog on Planet Ubuntu did lead to that, especially since planet ubuntu is explictly meant for ubuntu related stuff, like can be read in the Guidelines: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu>
I don't think the intention was to claim Vincent as OURS, he is more upstream GNOME than openSUSE - he uses us as his tool to do his upstream work. I think the concern was created as there is so much talk of Ubuntu's divergence from upstream after the Untiy announcement, and many people are aware of Vincent's affiliation with openSUSE and also his employer being Novell. I'm not saying Ubuntu are or are not diverging, purely the fact that there is talk in the community about it. Vincent does indeed contribute to all distros that use GNOME, purely by the nature of his upstream position. As for distro involvement he is mostly involved in openSUSE. Simple.
If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-)
Right. I haven't claimed you to be exclusive, especially since I even stated Ubuntu/GNOME, and such exclusive thinking is in my personal opinion not really helping the overall though of "Collaboration across Borders". Actually the sort of responses somehow makes me think that collaboration might not really be appreciated, but then, this might also be a as skewed view as which I left with my report from the conference.
Open source is very much a non-monogamous affair, so it is perfectly normal for someone to be involved in more than one project and also have those projects be competitors to one another.
cc'ing Gerfried so he knows about this.
Thank you very much to give me the chance to explain how it came to this.
Many thanks for firstly attending the conference, it was a pleasure to have you there. Also thank you for responding to Ubuntu's request to attend. At the very least one good thing that I have noticed is that Ubuntu and Debian are starting to work together and talking more. The derivatives list is a very good thing and long may it continue. I hope you don't feel that we at openSUSE are being somewhat childish about this. It is not our intention - honest. Many thanks for attending, and thank you for listening to us :-) Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org
Hi, Le mardi 02 novembre 2010, à 07:42 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit :
* Vincent Untz <vuntz@novell.com> [2010-11-01 20:51:51 CET]:
That being said, I'm much more a GNOME/openSUSE person than a Ubuntu/GNOME one (I'm using openSUSE, and I contributed much more to openSUSE than to Ubuntu). I guess it's safe to say that I don't represent Ubuntu in any way anymore, and I certainly wasn't at the openSUSE conference with a Ubuntu hat :-)
If it would make you lot feel better, I will send the same clearification to the mailinglist, too. Actually it seems that Vincent was there with as much Ubuntu hat as myself, or rather, me possibly more than him because I actually also have upload rights to Ubuntu.
Oh, I don't care much about a clarification on the mailing list myself. Just wanted to clarify with you since I got cc'ed on this thread, and I'm probably the authorative person on this topic :-) Generally speaking, the people who do know me know which hats I have, and others... well, I don't expect them to care much about me ;-)
Still, frankly spoken, I am a fair bit astonished about the claiming that a person belongs to someone, especially exclusively, especially in the free software community.
I guess the initial reaction was more about a feeling of mis-attributing my contribution to the conference as coming from the Ubuntu community.
Yes, I should have done more research about Vincent, and I appoligize for not having done that, but the impression with Vincent's blog on Planet Ubuntu did lead to that, especially since planet ubuntu is explictly meant for ubuntu related stuff, like can be read in the Guidelines: <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu>
That's because I'm an Ubuntu member. Note that you're misreading a bit the guidelines for Planet Ubuntu: it's not meant for Ubuntu-related stuff, but for blogs from Ubuntu members. That's slightly different, especially in my case where I usually don't really blog about Ubuntu-related stuff ;-) Note that I'm on Planet openSUSE too. And I'd be glad to be on Planet Debian and Planet Fedora too, but I guess those ones will be a bit harder for now. I'll have to conquer the world another way...
If people absolutely want to give me a Ubuntu hat, then I should be considered as a GNOME/openSUSE/Ubuntu person. And we could maybe add some freedesktop.org stuff in there to be complete ;-)
Right. I haven't claimed you to be exclusive, especially since I even stated Ubuntu/GNOME, and such exclusive thinking is in my personal opinion not really helping the overall though of "Collaboration across Borders". Actually the sort of responses somehow makes me think that collaboration might not really be appreciated, but then, this might also be a as skewed view as which I left with my report from the conference.
Don't know if it'll help convince you that we do care about collaboration, but: after the openSUSE Conference, I went to UDS. I'd guess I was mostly seen as an upstream person there, though. As you pointed out, we're generally perceived as exclusively coming from one community. Obviously, collaboration is always difficult and we always see the limits we're reaching. But collaboration is happening, and it is indeed our responsability to promote it, instead of promoting the limits. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas Jaeger -
Andrew Wafaa -
Bryen M. Yunashko -
Gerfried Fuchs -
jdd -
S.Kemter -
Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) -
Vincent Untz