On Tuesday 14 September 2010 14:38:29 Kostas Koud wrote:

I'm here with Stathis and we are a bit confused,you see there is that: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution and that: http://el.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution

Title starting with "Portal:" belongs to namespace with a same name. It has special meaning to MediWiki software (the same that runs Wikipedia). What is important to know is that any namespace must be declared (created) in MediaWiki configuration file, it is not enough to simply write title, such as Portal:Distribution and have namespace. Besides http://el.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution is actually empty page, in English it tells: "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages to find relevant background, or to edit this page." (Google translation - surprisingly good one) which is standard message that MediaWiki gives visitors instead of error message "404 Page not found".

and they have different interface.

That is the old one. You can see: http://old-en.opensuse.org that has the same shape as http://el.opensuse.org .

So now we are confused, how do we start?

Taking that Greek (EL) wiki is barely translated, my opinion is that we should update wiki to the status of current http://en.opensuse.org . See end of email for more information.

if we start translating to the old interface won't the links be false?

Some links may actually work, but there is a lot of additional functionality that is missing in current EL wiki and too many pages will not look good. Some pages that you may translate now like Portal:Distribution will disappear when actual Portal: namespace is created. That is how MediaWiki works, so don't translate in current http://el.opensuse.org . To compare tools in current EL wiki and EN wiki see: http://el.opensuse.org/Special:Version http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Version

Also is there some kind of map of all the layers of the wiki so that we know from where to start and what is the amount of job we have?

http://languages.opensuse.org/Help:Translation has list of mandatory articles. That list is merely proposal that can be discussed, but as long as no one objects it is mandatory. We don't have much more then that right now. To see the size of EN wiki, you can browse categories starting from: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:openSUSE_project also there is a lot of special pages that are worth browsing if you want to see how MediaWiki works: http://en.opensuse.org/Special:SpecialPages

Also what kind of permissions do we need in order to do the translation(you mention something about it...)?

To create pages there is no need for any special permission, just sign up for Novell account and after that login into wiki. (Don't forget to validate your email. Validation email will arrive shortly after creation of Novell account.) To validate pages you have to be editor or reviewer, and to do admin tasks you have to be administrators. To be able to change access permissions for other you have to bureaucrats. All that is necessary can be set up after your first login. BTW, there is only one bureaucrat there that can change status of other wiki users in EL wiki.

You gave us too much information and we were lost.

:) Now there is even more :) The update of the http://el.opensuse.org will not happen in a day. I don't have even approximate ETA as server admins have few updates in a queue and it is up to them to decide how it will go. Besides nothing will happen before you request that in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629405 . Please create Novell account, login in bugzilla and request to update http://el.opensuse.org . Ignore comment that http://el.opensuse.org is candidate for removal. Before you appeared here, wiki was not touched for more then a year. In the meantime we can use http://languages.opensuse.org so that you can see how it will work. The same account you will use for bugzilla you can use for any other wiki, including languages.opensuse.org . Just let me know when you are ready and I'll create basic structure for Greek and you will be able to start translation. For communication we can use: opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org mail list http://forums.opensuse.org/english/community/opensuse-wiki-discussions/ I prefer first, but I check second daily.

We are waiting for your reply. Kostas Warlordfff Stathis Diamond_gr

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