On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 17:20 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 04/01/2011 03:51 PM, Chuck Payne wrote:
I wish you luck, I couldn't get one for north america, I really think we need regional mailing list along with the regular one. They wanted to do it by language, which made no sense because North America, Australia, UK and most of the work speak english so if I want to send notice to the ambassadors of North America about things we need to do, I would have comments from other parts who don't understand what we are trying to do.
Your region[1] based plan works for a very low number of regions. For North America its okay'ish because its two countries and most Canadians speak English but nearly all the other regions have tons of languages in them. I really think you need to think this through. You guys want as far as I can understand 3 things
Just to add more confusion here :-) North America includes US, Canada and Mexico. So we do have 3 languages within North America. And of course, we haven't covered Caribbean Islands which are also in North America and have languages based on their colonial ownership. (I believe for example, Aruba speaks Dutch.) And people from Mexico often get very insulted if they don't get included in North America. So from a language perspective if they join a opensuse-ambassador-NA and find it speaks english and no Spanish... we will not have achieved any goodwill there. :-? If we're going to break it down, country-specific is the way to go. Now let me ask another question. If we create country ML's, does it have to be focused on ambassadors only? If, for example, we create an Australian list, wouldn't it make more sense to create one list for all of Australia rather than just for its ambassadors? (opensuse-au vs. opensuse-ambassadors-au) I still have very mixed feelings about this because a) I personally find it useful to know what's happening across borders. It's how we share ideas globally and make our own events better. SCALE booth design was iimproved in part because we looked at what happened in FOSDEM. I do get what some people point out about too much noise and that some people don't care what's happening in another country. But have we gotten to that point yet? Are we speaking about a problem before the problem actually exists? Do we have anything to point to from real experiences where this has been a problem so far? Does it justify the additional overhead placed on our beloved mail admin, Henne (even if he says he doesn't care?) Bryen So
1. Reach _ONLY_ the people that might be affected geographically 2. Communicate in your native language 3. Keep the amount of messages to the opensuse-ambassador to a minimum
Is that so? Then the only reasonable way to achieve all 3 is to add country specific[2] lists I think. So opensuse-ambassadors-us or opensuse-ambassadors-nl. I do what you want. I don't really care :-)
I just can tell you that everybody else is trying to achieve the exact opposite. Most of us try to unite the communication channels because the isolation effectively kills all communication in the local groups because they are often way to small and it also kills communication between the local groups and synergies are wasted. Yes it is sometimes tedious to communicate on a bigger list but there are also huge benefits to it.
But like I've said, this is your decision. As ml-admin I do what the team tells me. Just don't tell me 3 conflicting things ;)
Henne
[1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/United_Nations_geographic... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2
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