So time to start the first message .. Just to add one point for us, we also have what is needed to make a brilliant server in our distribution. Unbuntu need another cd to start it, and you loose the klinky gui ... for server, just the ncurses debian installer . They don't make any effort in those. We have "in my opinion" the best multi-purpose distribution on the market. It has been the case over the years, try keeping that. It's what openSUSE are now! We have lot's of work to make it better, polished, more useful. That's why we can try day by day user by user to convince them to contribute, making wiki article, reporting bug, trying to learn something, and transmit it to other. We offer choices, at install time, at usage time, in contribution forms. No one except debian offer this ! We constantly innovate (obs,moblin->meego,susestudio,wiki rebirth) but we also have to finish those hype project, they are our marketing force, the brilliant thing we can show to the world of news,dig,rss,twit ... With a open full of choice distribution, we can see in future a new market for people packaging it in a way a segment's market want it ( only desktop, no question at install, pure gnome, with those hyper hype application on it) on susestudio. When people will see the potential they can have, I hope the rest will follow. In the meantime, in the backyard, there's those "olds" hackers, administrators, developers who use openSUSE because it's rocks, can do all what they need. the way they need. I would never follow the trend about "all those people who need a desktop to communicate enjoy video on youtube" All of them are just consumers. You know what consumers just consume, and we don't sell openSUSE. We need real engaged people on it. Let that consumers consuming marketing,sales,support resources of our concurrents. You know what, we're really great, and we can only rejoice for the future ! woouah, just start typing a quick reply :-) There's always to much energy in a first message. Have fun. -- Bruno Friedmann bruno@ioda-net.ch Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member User www.ioda.net/r/osu Blog www.ioda.net/r/blog fsfe fellowship www.fsfe.org (bruno.friedmann (at) fsfe.org ) tigerfoot on irc GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org