On 2011-04-13 Kim wrote:
Am 13.04.2011 16:11, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
The problem with Evergreen is simply that there is on only one (or maybe 2) people working on it. That is why we don't give it much attention: there's quite a chance that those 1-2 ppl will give up and there won't be ANY evergeen...
True... It´s the bitter truth. :/
So unless other people step up, Evergreen doesn't
have much future.
Well, here I see the problem: If we don´t promote Evergreen, nobody will notice it, except the openSUSE fanboys, 11.1 users and some nerds. If the project needs developers, we have to search ones. And that means, that we have to do some promo labour. That doesn´t mean, that we take the whole Novell PR unit and let them work on a billion dollar commercial, but if some of us have the chance to talk about openSUSE, Evergreen should be content of it.
To make Evergreen attractive, I think, an easy installation-media is necessary. I created one with SUSE Studio. Feel free to link to it or use it.
Why? That´s easy. Imagine they are 3 groups of users:
*The beginner: He wants that his system runs and he doesn´t want to care about it all the time. He will use 11.4 *The intermediate: He sometimes cares about his system and do some things on his own. He will use 11.3 or 11.4 till the end of support and upgrade then. *The power user: He do the most on his own, but loves to use YaST and easy system config software because he doesn´t wants to stay on such little things for long and will continue his work. *The geek: Once he installed a system, he builds the rest from scratch. He will use Evergreen for his little homeserver and his workstation, because he wants to have a fallback, when something is wrong.
So, he loves to use 11.1 because he got a lot software written for it, and maybe he wants to use KDE 3. So, his girlfriend has a new computer: She let him do the system work, because he´s like a "computer-god" to her. So. he can install 11.4 to her. But why? When the both install the same version, it´s easier to her to work on his computer too. So he, installs 11.1. So. updating the system is a boring, longtime work.
So, he download my image and use evergreen.
Kim, my time is not endless! Why do you write this?
Well, Evergreen is a great thing, but an installation media would throw the project in front, because you got a regular snapshot of the evergreen work for easy testing and using. And it keeps 11.1 alive also when the isos where removed.
If THAT is your message, feel free to talk about it. But don't be too positive about it unless we can find new people!
Yes, this is some kind of the message. But the whole thing was more planned to finding new developers for evergreen. I think. evergreen got the chance to be a real advantage for openSUSE, when it get attention and some love by the marketing.
Well, if you want to do that, no problem at all. Feel free to write an article for news.o.o asking for help. You'd have to be a bit specific: mention some tasks people can do and who they can ask for help. Basically, go to the current evergreen developers and offer to help them search for people. Ask how people can and if they are willing to help/mentor people who want to join the evergreen movement. Then start writing ;-) A monthly blog on evergreen progress will surely also help a lot in getting new developers. Join the Evergreen mailinglist & IRC and write about what happens once every 3-4 weeks... Or even weekly: "list of packages updated: x,x,x" "Discussion on adding package Y to maintainance list" "new developer X joined and updated X, Y and Z". That kind of stuff. If you're serious about getting people for Evergreen, I have no issue with that whatsoever. Just put in the work :D
thanks