I appreciate you help. I certainly think it is suse's responsibility to get the product in working order before they charge a hundred bucks for it and call it "Professional", but that doesn't matter, the point is that I would like to get it to work, SuSE may be a crook company or not, they certainly wont get any more money from me, so it's not my headache anymore.
Why on earth couldn't it be integrated into the OS? <laugh>. What does that mean? No. stop, let's not get into that discussion.
I don't claim that what worked for me will work for you. I was trying to offer you some encouragement and describe a method that has worked in a situation
Yes, isn't it a funny idea? As if the point of a Linux distribution company was that they got the parts to work together and the user just used it! In Windows, or any sane OS, you just double click your little flag and select a language you might want to type text in. That would be integration. If I have to find (not on ftp.suse.com of course, that would be too easy.) a bunch of files, which in their turn require others etc in absurdum, I certainly wouldn't call it integration. Especially since it is far from obvious which that first bunch of files was, or even whom I should turn to to find out. As it is, you have to be lucky enough to stumble on this mailing list, ask questions, look for files, almost kill yourself in trying to install them and still have to rely on a divine intervention to actually get it to work. that is similar to yours. Now you mention emacs. Does scim only not work in emacs, or does it not work in any app? No, I haven't even got to the part where I expect the program to be able to launch, let alone get it to work with emacs. It seems, from the laughable documentation available, that things called conversion backbones, front ends, sockets and probably a number of other programs that I left out are involved. It would be insane to expect all that to work in less than a forthnight. No, I have merely been trying, unsuccessfully, to install scim, I don't even know what it really does, just that it is a necessary requirement.
Can you use xemaces instead of emacs?
Thank you for trying. I am afraid I can't, because the CJK fonts don't work too well in Xemacs. I have installed everything that might conceivably be concerned with CJK fonts, but apparently, I left something out, probably some obscure library that wasn't put on the CD's. Anyway, I don't dare to try changing from emacs, which actually displays most characters in some font sizes. Do you have a .xim file in your home directory? What does it say? Have you read Mike's CJK document? I have and I have, many times. The .xim is as it should be. It didn't work when it was in its original form, neither did it help to change it according to Mike's instructions. Probably because I had the wrong version of scim. (Like the fool I am, I thought the one on the CD's would do.) Gustaf Jethro
Hello Gustaf,
As a native Chinese speaker and Emacs user living in Sweden, I am
happy to share with you some of my experience with SCIM on SuSE 9.1.
For SCIM to work on my SuSE 9.1 box, I have the follwoing packages installed:
scim-chinese-0.4.2-1.tcousin
scim-1.0.1-0.1
scim-tables-zh-0.4.3-1.1
I used the apt-rpm tools to keep the system updated, so those are not
the ones you will find on the installation CDs, but you can get them
from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mfabian/9.1/i586/
and
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.1-i386/RPMS.suser-tcousin/
After installation, the scim works right away. The .xim provided by
Mike Fabian require your to set your locale to something like zh_CN
before the X session starts. such that the corresponding IME programs
are started automatically. However you can let the default locale
untouched and from a normal X terminal, do the following:
$ export LC_ALL=zh_CN
$ export LANG=zh_CN
$ export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM
$ scim -d
Then you can start any program where you want to input Chinese from
that terminal, and pressing Ctrl+Enter will trigger on the scim
program.
I have tried both "emacs " and "mlterm".
HTH
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:51:28 +0200, Gustaf Kugelberg Jönsson
I appreciate you help. I certainly think it is suse's responsibility to get the product in working order before they charge a hundred bucks for it and call it "Professional", but that doesn't matter, the point is that I would like to get it to work, SuSE may be a crook company or not, they certainly wont get any more money from me, so it's not my headache anymore.
Why on earth couldn't it be integrated into the OS? <laugh>. What does that mean? No. stop, let's not get into that discussion.
Yes, isn't it a funny idea? As if the point of a Linux distribution company was that they got the parts to work together and the user just used it! In Windows, or any sane OS, you just double click your little flag and select a language you might want to type text in. That would be integration. If I have to find (not on ftp.suse.com of course, that would be too easy.) a bunch of files, which in their turn require others etc in absurdum, I certainly wouldn't call it integration. Especially since it is far from obvious which that first bunch of files was, or even whom I should turn to to find out. As it is, you have to be lucky enough to stumble on this mailing list, ask questions, look for files, almost kill yourself in trying to install them and still have to rely on a divine intervention to actually get it to work.
I don't claim that what worked for me will work for you. I was trying to offer you some encouragement and describe a method that has worked in a situation that is similar to yours. Now you mention emacs. Does scim only not work in emacs, or does it not work in any app?
No, I haven't even got to the part where I expect the program to be able to launch, let alone get it to work with emacs. It seems, from the laughable documentation available, that things called conversion backbones, front ends, sockets and probably a number of other programs that I left out are involved. It would be insane to expect all that to work in less than a forthnight. No, I have merely been trying, unsuccessfully, to install scim, I don't even know what it really does, just that it is a necessary requirement.
Can you use xemaces instead of emacs?
Thank you for trying. I am afraid I can't, because the CJK fonts don't work too well in Xemacs. I have installed everything that might conceivably be concerned with CJK fonts, but apparently, I left something out, probably some obscure library that wasn't put on the CD's. Anyway, I don't dare to try changing from emacs, which actually displays most characters in some font sizes.
Do you have a .xim file in your home directory? What does it say? Have you read Mike's CJK document?
I have and I have, many times. The .xim is as it should be. It didn't work when it was in its original form, neither did it help to change it according to Mike's instructions. Probably because I had the wrong version of scim. (Like the fool I am, I thought the one on the CD's would do.)
Gustaf
Jethro
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If I have to find (not on ftp.suse.com of course, that would be too easy.)
Of course on ftp.suse.com. The scim updates for 9.1 and all related rpms are all in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1. What you find in this directory is a consistent set of rpms which should work well together.
Probably because I had the wrong version of scim. (Like the fool I am, I thought the one on the CD's would do.)
scim as distributed on the SuSE Linux 9.1 media works.
For Chinese (without intelligent pinyin though, this was not yet
open source when SuSE 9.1 was released).
You need to update scim only if you need
- intelligent pinyin
- want to use scim also for other languages besides Chinese,
for example Japanese or Korean.
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