I have had enough. I had XP installed when I bought my computer, and both Japanese and Chinese IME worked out of the box. I wanted to give Suse a chance, though, so I bought and installed it. Of course, the packages I would need for CJK support was not included on any of the half a dozen discs shipped with the quite expensive 9.1 pro (surprise!). I was told that I needed to find and install SCIM, which I tried. I downloaded scim scim-chinese scim-tables-additional scim-tables-ja scim-tables-zh scim-uim scim-m17n but ofcourse, this wasn't enough. While trying to install scim, I was told that m17n-lib was needed, so I searched for that on google and downloaded it too. This couldnt be installed without libotf m17n-lib so I had to find and download these too. At some point, I was also forced to find and install wordcut Finally, when trying to install all this in the correct order, I was told that some of these files demanded an earlier version of scim than I had installed, but since they where all downloaded from Mike's page, it should be OK, and in any case, there was nothing I could do. After this, yast asked me to install about a dozen of other applications like gnome and whatnot, but by then I had seen through the fraud. I might add that I dont have internet at home so each download required a trip to university with a bunch of floppys. Also, installing files from floppy in the new yast is quite a nuisance, it used to be quite reasonable once upon a time. I have spent around 20 hours trying to get this crap to work, and it still doesn't, and then I haven't even started trying to get it to work in conjunctionwith an editor. I suppose it is all just a fraud, you are promised lots of funcionality, but in the end, you will never get it to work, so it's quite possible that it wasn't there in the first place. Seeing this is so, I won't ask you to help me install this, I will just switch to Windows and hope they won't hire any Suse staff to do their programming. Does anyone not think that this is ridiculous? How can anyone be so incredibly incompetent? Has anyone actually got scim to work?
Gustaf, I can well understand your frustration. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do the damn thing just doesn't seem to work. Not having easy access to an internet connection makes your problems at least twice as hard to overcome. I have scim and Chinese input working, fortunately for me it was an easy process to install. In the past (12 months or so ago) I had many problems with it including some of the dependency issues you mentioned. It is not unreasonable to expect SuSE 9.1 to have a working CJK IM setup. However it has to be pointed out that at the time SuSE 9.1 came out, only about 6 months ago, scim was still very immature. IM in general under Linux was very ad hoc. I wasn't happy at all with scim's performance. Over the course of the last 6 months scim has improved a lot and for the first time in years I don't feel that using Chinese in Linux is second rate to Windows. IM has been a part of Linux and OSS in general that has been very underdeveloped the last few years, however if you are new to Linux you are lucky because we are on the dawn of m17n maturing into a real great useable system. Just do a search for IIIMF on the web and see what is near the end of the pipeline. To get scim working I installed the following downloaded from Mike's directory: Component Version scim 1.0.0-0.1 scim-chinese 0.4.1-0.1 scim-tables-zh 0.4.3-0.1 skim 0.9.7-1.1 (Skim is a KDE version of the gtk scim frontend). I installed all the above through yast on a patched 9.1 system (all patches installed through yast online update). I have not independently upgraded any gnome or gtk packages. I do have the latest KDE installed. I would suggest removing all the scim files you have from the system and starting again with your SuSE discs in hand using Yast and installing the above files. As I said at the beginning I feel your paign, but I want to point out that Mike Fabian is responsible for all the CJK support (and other language support as well) at SuSE and that this is a mammoth task which he works very hard at. I'm sure you didn't intentionally call Mike incompetent and were letting off some steam...you get my point. Best of luck. Jethro Cramp On Wednesday 13 October 2004 17:16, Gustaf Kugelberg J�nsson wrote:
I have had enough. I had XP installed when I bought my computer, and both Japanese and Chinese IME worked out of the box. I wanted to give Suse a chance, though, so I bought and installed it. Of course, the packages I would need for CJK support was not included on any of the half a dozen discs shipped with the quite expensive 9.1 pro (surprise!). I was told that I needed to find and install SCIM, which I tried. I downloaded
scim scim-chinese scim-tables-additional scim-tables-ja scim-tables-zh scim-uim scim-m17n
but ofcourse, this wasn't enough. While trying to install scim, I was told that
m17n-lib
was needed, so I searched for that on google and downloaded it too. This couldnt be installed without
libotf m17n-lib
so I had to find and download these too. At some point, I was also forced to find and install
wordcut
Finally, when trying to install all this in the correct order, I was told that some of these files demanded an earlier version of scim than I had installed, but since they where all downloaded from Mike's page, it should be OK, and in any case, there was nothing I could do. After this, yast asked me to install about a dozen of other applications like gnome and whatnot, but by then I had seen through the fraud. I might add that I dont have internet at home so each download required a trip to university with a bunch of floppys. Also, installing files from floppy in the new yast is quite a nuisance, it used to be quite reasonable once upon a time.
I have spent around 20 hours trying to get this crap to work, and it still doesn't, and then I haven't even started trying to get it to work in conjunctionwith an editor. I suppose it is all just a fraud, you are promised lots of funcionality, but in the end, you will never get it to work, so it's quite possible that it wasn't there in the first place. Seeing this is so, I won't ask you to help me install this, I will just switch to Windows and hope they won't hire any Suse staff to do their programming.
Does anyone not think that this is ridiculous? How can anyone be so incredibly incompetent?
Has anyone actually got scim to work?
Am Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2004 11:16 schrieb Gustaf Kugelberg J�nsson:
Does anyone not think that this is ridiculous? How can anyone be so incredibly incompetent?
Has anyone actually got scim to work?
Scim works for me quite well and it takes less than 5 minutes to install it - if you know how. That immediately raises the question of competence. The competence you must have to setup and maintain any Linux system for professional use. To run a Windows environment for professional use you need a lot of Windows specific competence too. In contrast to what the SuSE marketing people try (or tried) to make you believe, you cannot just 'simply change'. I spent almost one year getting familiar with SuSE Linux and setting up one sevice after the other until I was ready to completely move to Linux. So better send your complaints to the SuSE marketing people. BTW If you have no urging reason to throw away the Windows you got with your computer just keep it and use it. If you have a reason to change you will have to learn Linux. And since it is a highly complex and powerfull system this will take a lot of time. Good luck anyway Friedrich Friedrich Dimmling, Berlin, Germany
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