Herman, This doesn't answer your question about Culmus fonts, but I also had a hard time finding a font for my system that looked good in English and in Hebrew. I finally downloaded the Tahoma font from Microsoft, and am very happy. Verenda is also very similar to Tahoma and displays well in English and in Hebrew. The only font that I found in a standard Linux distro that halfway looks good in both languages is Ellinia. The Hebrew is a little fancy (not biblical fancy, mind you), but I got used to that quickly. I will be happy to send to you Tahoma and Ellinia if you want. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/124/collins_phil.php Collins, Phil Song Lyrics Thanks Dotan, I would like to ask you to get me those fonts, but now I'm even more puzzled. All my fonts work perfectly (even Persian, Korean...), except all the Hebrew fonts that I installed: these just don't come out as they should (only the hebrew fonts that were already there from the start function well). So I think I could not install your fonts either. I think my system has a problem with the way Openoffice handles any newly imported hebrew fonts. I'll just have to give it up until I update my whole system. I may or may not have created the problem myself ^^ About the hebrew fonts that look good in both Hebrew and English; Did you install the Culmus fonts? Maybe it looks traditional, but I think Frank Ruehl's Hebrew and western fonts of Culmus is not so bad. And I liked the Nachlieli. Do you also have freesans.ttf (truetype)? The western letters of that one look very "sans"ish, maybe minimalistic, but so far I have to use only those. The freeserif.ttf look so biblical that you just can't use it, it's as if someone grafted them by hand in a piece of stone ^^. If you like a retro feel, try the freemono.ttf and make them all bold, you'd have a very inky typewriter (If it's not bold it looks not good). Anyway if anyone would know anything specific relating to hebrew fonts, and the configuration for OOo, I'd always be interested. Thanks, & regards herman
On 8/4/05, hermanmeester
Herman, This doesn't answer your question about Culmus fonts, but I also had a hard time finding a font for my system that looked good in English and in Hebrew. I finally downloaded the Tahoma font from Microsoft, and am very happy. Verenda is also very similar to Tahoma and displays well in English and in Hebrew. The only font that I found in a standard Linux distro that halfway looks good in both languages is Ellinia. The Hebrew is a little fancy (not biblical fancy, mind you), but I got used to that quickly. I will be happy to send to you Tahoma and Ellinia if you want.
Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/124/collins_phil.php Collins, Phil Song Lyrics
Thanks Dotan,
I would like to ask you to get me those fonts, but now I'm even more puzzled. All my fonts work perfectly (even Persian, Korean...), except all the Hebrew fonts that I installed: these just don't come out as they should (only the hebrew fonts that were already there from the start function well). So I think I could not install your fonts either.
I think my system has a problem with the way Openoffice handles any newly imported hebrew fonts. I'll just have to give it up until I update my whole system. I may or may not have created the problem myself ^^
About the hebrew fonts that look good in both Hebrew and English; Did you install the Culmus fonts? Maybe it looks traditional, but I think Frank Ruehl's Hebrew and western fonts of Culmus is not so bad. And I liked the Nachlieli. Do you also have freesans.ttf (truetype)? The western letters of that one look very "sans"ish, maybe minimalistic, but so far I have to use only those. The freeserif.ttf look so biblical that you just can't use it, it's as if someone grafted them by hand in a piece of stone ^^. If you like a retro feel, try the freemono.ttf and make them all bold, you'd have a very inky typewriter (If it's not bold it looks not good).
Anyway if anyone would know anything specific relating to hebrew fonts, and the configuration for OOo, I'd always be interested.
Thanks, & regards herman
I haven't tried the Culmus fonts yet. But I find that any font that I put in /usr/share/fonts worked. I'll give them a try when studies are a little less pressing. How does KDE/Gnome handle the Culmus fonts? See what you have in the control center. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/361/mullins_shawn.php Mullins, Shawn Song Lyrics
Dotan Cohen
But I find that any font that I put in /usr/share/fonts worked.
Yes, installing fonts is very easy nowadays.
For applications using Xft2/fontconfig it should be enough to put them
into *any* directory in the fontconfig search path or any subdirectory
of one of these directories.
You can see the default list of directories at the top of
/etc/fonts/fonts.conf, currently (SuSE Linux 10.0 development version)
it looks like this:
<dir>/usr/share/fonts</dir>
<dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts</dir> <dir>/opt/kde3/share/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/lib/ooo-2.0/share/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/fonts</dir> <dir>/opt/OpenOffice.org/share/fonts</dir> <dir>/opt/staroffice6.0/share/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/lib64/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0_01/jre/lib/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0_01/jre/lib/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-sun-1.4.2.06/jre/lib/fonts</dir> <dir>/usr/X11R6/lib/Acrobat7/Resource/Font</dir> <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts/</dir>
<dir>~/.fonts</dir>
I.e. /usr/share/fonts is one of the possible directories.
For applications using X11 core fonts (not Xft2/fontconfig), it is
also enough just to copy the fonts into any directory which is listed
in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
After installing fonts, don't forget to call SuSEconfig, this calls
/usr/sbin/fonts-config which calls fc-cache (needed by
Xft2/fontconfig) and uses mkfontscale to create fonts.scale and
fonts.dir files in each font directory which are then further fine
tuned.
If you install fonts via YaST or from SuSE rpms, you don't have to
remember to call SuSEconfig, it happens automatically in that case.
But if you install fonts manually, I recommend to run
SuSEconfig --module fonts
afterwards.
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Mike FABIAN
On 8/4/05, hermanmeester
Thanks Dotan,
I would like to ask you to get me those fonts, but now I'm even more puzzled. All my fonts work perfectly (even Persian, Korean...), except all the Hebrew fonts that I installed: these just don't come out as they should (only the hebrew fonts that were already there from the start function well). So I think I could not install your fonts either.
I think my system has a problem with the way Openoffice handles any newly imported hebrew fonts. I'll just have to give it up until I update my whole system. I may or may not have created the problem myself ^^
About the hebrew fonts that look good in both Hebrew and English; Did you install the Culmus fonts? Maybe it looks traditional, but I think Frank Ruehl's Hebrew and western fonts of Culmus is not so bad. And I liked the Nachlieli. Do you also have freesans.ttf (truetype)? The western letters of that one look very "sans"ish, maybe minimalistic, but so far I have to use only those. The freeserif.ttf look so biblical that you just can't use it, it's as if someone grafted them by hand in a piece of stone ^^. If you like a retro feel, try the freemono.ttf and make them all bold, you'd have a very inky typewriter (If it's not bold it looks not good).
Anyway if anyone would know anything specific relating to hebrew fonts, and the configuration for OOo, I'd always be interested.
Thanks, & regards herman
Herman, I just installed the Culmus fonts. So far everything is working, including Open Office. I downloaded the tar.gz, unpacked it, and mv'ed it into /usr/share/fonts. Thats all, no restart nor logout. If you installed by rpm, this may be your trouble. Note that this is a suse list, and I did this on a FC4 machine, but I think that it is still relevent enough to continue on-list, as information on hebrew fonts in general is hard to come by, and the archives need it! If suse keeps the fonts in a different directory, please say so for the archives sake. I don't know if freesans or freeserif supposed to be in Cumlus, but I didn't get them. If you want to send them to me, I'll see how it works for me and report back. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/305/lennon_john.php Lennon, John Song Lyrics
Dotan Cohen
I just installed the Culmus fonts. So far everything is working, including Open Office. I downloaded the tar.gz, unpacked it, and mv'ed it into /usr/share/fonts. Thats all, no restart nor logout. If you installed by rpm, this may be your trouble. Note that this is a suse list, and I did this on a FC4 machine, but I think that it is still relevent enough to continue on-list, as information on hebrew fonts in general is hard to come by, and the archives need it! If suse keeps the fonts in a different directory, please say so for the archives sake.
No, as I explained in my last mail, you can use /usr/share/fonts on SuSE Linux as well if you like. Or any of the other directories listed at the top of /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. Or any subdirectory of one of these directories. Note that Hermann is using SuSE 9.1, which is rather old and therefore has an older version of OpenOffice. FC4 and SuSE 9.3 have a newer OpenOffice. I didn't test whether this makes a difference though, somehow I doubt it.
I don't know if freesans or freeserif supposed to be in Cumlus, but I didn't get them. If you want to send them to me, I'll see how it works for me and report back.
No, FreeSans and FreeSerif are fonts from a different project, see:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
These fonts also have Hebrew glyphs but they are less beautiful than
the culmus fonts.
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Mike FABIAN
On 8/4/05, Mike FABIAN
No, as I explained in my last mail, you can use /usr/share/fonts on SuSE Linux as well if you like. Or any of the other directories listed at the top of /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. Or any subdirectory of one of these directories.
Note that Hermann is using SuSE 9.1, which is rather old and therefore has an older version of OpenOffice. FC4 and SuSE 9.3 have a newer OpenOffice. I didn't test whether this makes a difference though, somehow I doubt it.
No, FreeSans and FreeSerif are fonts from a different project, see:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
These fonts also have Hebrew glyphs but they are less beautiful than the culmus fonts.
Thanks for the info, Mike. I got to reading your email after I send mine. I think it important to note that I am using a beta version of Open Office 2. This might actually make a difference compared to OO1, and I am sorry that I forgot to mention it in my last post. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/72/bjork.php Bjork Song Lyrics
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