Would the handling of Japanese in OOo (running in SuSE, of course) be off topic? (I've a strong feeling that it would, and that it should instead be posted on an OOo mailing list. Hmm. But I can't summon much enthusiasm for joining users@openoffice.org -- not because of any deficiency in it, but just because it averages a hundred messages a day. Perhaps I'm an email weakling.)
Peter Evans <peter@despammed.com> さんは書きました:
Would the handling of Japanese in OOo (running in SuSE, of course) be off topic?
No, it's definitely not off topic. Just ask. Nobody can guarantee an answer though, it depends on your question, maybe nobody knows. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
Hello, I noticed that my OOo always hangs for a while when I want to select a font from the tool bar's scroll list. It seems to take a very long time to read the information from the Asian fonts (several Unicode, Japanese and Chinese ttf). Is does not only happen when I go through the list the first time, but also when I do a second or third font selection. Is there any method to make it faster? I am using OOo 1.0 and SuSE 8.0. My RAM is 500 MByte. Regards, Thomas Piekenbrock -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie sichern!
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:53:09AM +0200, Thomas Piekenbrock wrote:
Most probably this is related to this issue: http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/xfs.html [...] As the X server is not multi-threaded, it appears to hang while it renders fonts. This is especially noticeable when large fonts, e.g. Asian fonts are rendered. During that time you can't do anything and having to wait several minutes until all the fonts in a Asian web page are rendered can be extremely annoying. [...] Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ---------------------------------------------------- Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SuSE Linux AG Tel: 0911-740530 Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 FAX: +49 911 741 77 55 D-90429 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------
Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.de> さんは書きました:
I don't think this is related, the above hint is only for fonts rendered via the X11 core font mechanism. Apparently OpenOffice doesn't use that, the font names in the scroll list in the tool bar are anti-aliased, which proves that X11 core fonts are not used. OpenOffice probably uses freetype2 directly to render fonts. In that case the above hint won't help. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
Gerhard Schuck <geschu@ma5.seikyou.ne.jp> さんは書きました:
in English: Tools -> Options -> OpeenOffice.org -> View -> Preview in fonts lists By the way, does anybody know how to switch that feature off in Konqueror? This preview of the fonts is very annoying in Konqueror as well, it is unbearably slow if many fonts are installed. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
My thanks to Mike Fabian for the OK for asking the following question. I have what may be a slightly unusual set-up: SuSE 8.2 personal (with OOo installed as usual), and with Japanese enabled after that (thanks in great part to advice from Mike and others on this list and in private). So KDE (for example) is in Japanese, but OOo is in English. I'm able to type in Japanese in it, though. I've set up OOo for Asian fonts, as described on pp. 108+ of Haugland and Jones' book. Default languages are Western: English (USA) and Asian: Japanese. However, when I go to Language Settings | Asian Layout, I see that for First and Last characters the Language is Chinese (simplified). I can instead choose Japanese, click the box for default, and click the OK button -- and OOo stays that way until I close it down and reopen it, whereupon I'm back to Chinese (simplified). I don't mind if Japanese has its punctuation in the wrong places on the screen; I'd put up with going into this area of Options and specifying Japanese, clicking the box for default, and then the OK button, whenever I want to print. However, doing so seemingly has no effect -- I still have lines starting with periods, etc. Perhaps the default settings are wrong, and I should edit the lists of characters that mustn't appear at the beginning or end of a line. But that's rather difficult, as they're all displayed as boxes. It seems as if, in its menus, OOo is attempting to display Japanese (or simplified Chinese) in Arial or similar. If this were all, I suppose I'd put up with it. But it gets worse. If I have Japanese text and decide to plonk some roomaji in the middle of it, OOo appears then to regard the rest of the Japanese that follows it on the same line as a "word" -- which of course is too long to fit on the line. I'm not sure that this is the way OOo "thinks", but the usual result of putting some roomaji in a line is to add an unwanted line break after it. OOo is thus worse at layout than are plenty of humble text editors. This all seems very, very wrong. I imagine that I've made yet another moronic mistake. Please enlighten me!
Peter Evans <peter@despammed.com> さんは書きました:
Would the handling of Japanese in OOo (running in SuSE, of course) be off topic?
No, it's definitely not off topic. Just ask. Nobody can guarantee an answer though, it depends on your question, maybe nobody knows. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
Hello, I noticed that my OOo always hangs for a while when I want to select a font from the tool bar's scroll list. It seems to take a very long time to read the information from the Asian fonts (several Unicode, Japanese and Chinese ttf). Is does not only happen when I go through the list the first time, but also when I do a second or third font selection. Is there any method to make it faster? I am using OOo 1.0 and SuSE 8.0. My RAM is 500 MByte. Regards, Thomas Piekenbrock -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie sichern!
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:53:09AM +0200, Thomas Piekenbrock wrote:
Most probably this is related to this issue: http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/xfs.html [...] As the X server is not multi-threaded, it appears to hang while it renders fonts. This is especially noticeable when large fonts, e.g. Asian fonts are rendered. During that time you can't do anything and having to wait several minutes until all the fonts in a Asian web page are rendered can be extremely annoying. [...] Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ---------------------------------------------------- Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SuSE Linux AG Tel: 0911-740530 Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 FAX: +49 911 741 77 55 D-90429 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------
Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.de> さんは書きました:
I don't think this is related, the above hint is only for fonts rendered via the X11 core font mechanism. Apparently OpenOffice doesn't use that, the font names in the scroll list in the tool bar are anti-aliased, which proves that X11 core fonts are not used. OpenOffice probably uses freetype2 directly to render fonts. In that case the above hint won't help. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
Gerhard Schuck <geschu@ma5.seikyou.ne.jp> さんは書きました:
in English: Tools -> Options -> OpeenOffice.org -> View -> Preview in fonts lists By the way, does anybody know how to switch that feature off in Konqueror? This preview of the fonts is very annoying in Konqueror as well, it is unbearably slow if many fonts are installed. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
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Gerhard Schuck
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Mike FABIAN
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Peter Evans
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Stefan Dirsch
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Thomas Piekenbrock