On Wednesday 18 February 2004 01:00, Mike FABIAN wrote:

Which page is that? The page you see when clicking in the menu on

Hilfe -> Einführung in Konqueror

which starts with

"Willkommen bei Konqueror 3.1.4"

Yes, even this page, where the automatic encoding finder should work perfectly, cannot be displayed correctly. Of course any other web page, too. (I just wanted to show, that it has nothing to do with the automatic encoding seting, which sometimes does not work due to a poor HTML code.) On the www.google.de I am able to input Umlaute into the search form, but as soon as the search results are displayed, all Umlaute are replaced by dots. Maybe it was not clear from my original posting: After setting up the computer, I could see Umlaute in Konqueror. I am not aware of changing anything besides installing some RPMs. Thanks and Regards Matthias

On Wednesday 18 February 2004 08:17, Mike FABIAN wrote:

Set up other fonts in the konqueror settings, for example "Nimbus Sans L" or "Luxi Sans" instead of "Kochi Gothic" and "Nimbus Roman No9 L" or "Luxi Serif" instead of "Kochi Mincho". Then Qt will use these fonts for Latin1. Qt will correctly recognize that these fonts are not suitable for Japanese and will fallback to other fonts for Japanese according to the rules in /etc/X11/qtrc or ~/.qt/qtrc respectively. In the SuSE default settings in /etc/X11/qtrc, "Kochi Mincho" is the first replacement for the serif European fonts and "Kochi Gothic" is the first replacement for the sans-serif European fonts mentioned above. Therefore, "Kochi Gothic" and "Kochi Mincho" will still be used for Japanese and you will see both German and Japanese correctly.

Now it works again as usual. Many thanks! Matthias

ugroh@t-online.de (U. Groh) さんは書きました:

Hallo, I did as described below but the situation is as before: On seme web pages I can't see the "Umlaute" but just nothing or funny squres. I also created from scratch a new user and tried out there: Same behaviour. Maybe a I have to chance something globally?

Wich Websites and which locale are you using? -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

Hi Depending on the konqueror setting, I cannot see Umlauts on this website eithter. If you right click into this web page, and choose "View Frame Information" you can see something like: Content-Type: text/html Means, this site does not send the information, which charset is used in this frame. (Different frames may use different charsets). (In the case, the site would send this information, you would see something like "Content-Type: text/html; charset: iso-8859-1") Now I expect, it should help to change the charset with: View - Set encoding - Western European iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15 But unfortunately this does not work for this page. It probably just changes the encoding for the main frame of the web page. But I am not sure about that. Now I change the default encoding in "Settings - Configure Konqueror - Fonts" to "iso-8859-15". And reload the page. And the Umlauts are displayed. In my opinion, default encoding should be set to iso-8859-15 in our region. Because most web sites here not sending the information about charsets, use iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15. On the other hand, most sites using UTF-8 are sending this information. On Saturday 28 February 2004 23:05, U. Groh wrote:

Am Samstag Februar 28 2004 20:50 schrieb Mike FABIAN:

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Hallo, I did as described below but the situation is as before: On seme web pages I can't see the "Umlaute" but just nothing or funny squres. I also created from scratch a new user and tried out there: Same behaviour. Maybe a I have to chance something globally?

Wich Websites and which locale are you using?

This Webside: http://www.foto-erhardt.de/shop.php?f=*NR&c=nikd70&t=digi-gartikel

Walter Betschart さんは書きました:

If you right click into this web page, and choose "View Frame Information" you can see something like: Content-Type: text/html Means, this site does not send the information, which charset is used in this frame. (Different frames may use different charsets). (In the case, the site would send this information, you would see something like "Content-Type: text/html; charset: iso-8859-1")

Yes, this site doesn't send this information in the http header. It does sent it in the source though, you see that with "View Document Source Ctrl+U". But it does that only once and not again for every frame. You see that with "Right click -> Frame -> View Frame Source" on the frames. I think this is a bug of the page, each frame could have a different encoding, therefore each frame should specify the encoding.

Now I expect, it should help to change the charset with: View - Set encoding - Western European iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15 But unfortunately this does not work for this page. It probably just changes the encoding for the main frame of the web page. But I am not sure about that.

Now I change the default encoding in "Settings - Configure Konqueror - Fonts" to "iso-8859-15". And reload the page. And the Umlauts are displayed.

In my opinion, default encoding should be set to iso-8859-15 in our region. Because most web sites here not sending the information about charsets, use iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15. On the other hand, most sites using UTF-8 are sending this information.

I agree. This page displays correctly for me if I open the Konqueror setup dialog Setup -> Konqueror Setup -> Fonts -> Standard Encoding and select "iso-8859-1" as the standard encoding there. I agree with you that "iso-8859-1" should be the default here. In my experience as well, sites which fail to supply the correct information are always "iso-8859-1". I have not yet encountered a single example of a page which is *not* "iso-8859-1" and fails to give that information. But there are many sites which are "iso-8859-1" but don't supply that information. http://www.ebay.de is another example. http://www.ebay.de will not be displayed correctly with Konqueror either unless you set "iso-8859-1" as the standard encoding, switch the auto detection to "Western Europe" or force the encoding manually to "iso-8859-1". -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。