Hello Mike, and others interested, A while ago you mentioned that the Culmus hebrew Type1 font package could be installed by default in the next version of SuSE Linux. This week I had to download the Culmus fonts again, via http://culmus.sourceforge.net/. I did it by giving the command rpm -i http:// [etc] .rpm, and then I got a warning that some .rpmsave and .rpmnew files were installed too. It turned out, when I looked for hidden files, that a number of the following items were sneakily installed as hidden files. Maybe it has something to do with my computer (suse 9.1), but this is what I found (the .rpm puts nothing in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts but I copied some fonts there myself): /usr/local/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /opt/kde3/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/.fonts-config-timestamp I was surprised because I didn't know these fonts were restricted, they're all GNU and stuf, I thought. They nowhere say you have to pay. The result was that they worked for a while, and after one or two sessions the fonts didn't show anymore. If the Culmus fonts were to be a default in the next Suse Linux, these sneaky things had better be left out. And I wonder what an .rpmnew or .rpmsave file would be doing. It prevented me from letting YaST get rid of the Culmus package! YaST thinks there is no Culmus, but there still is. I think my fonts now work, because I threw it all out except the fonts themselves, manually, but I'll see what happens. Has anyone else seen funny things happen with Culmus? So far, I recommend to be careful with it. Or is it just me who is infected with funny software? Regards, Herman
"hermanmeester" <hermanmeester@hetnet.nl> さんは書きました:
A while ago you mentioned that the Culmus hebrew Type1 font package could be installed by default in the next version of SuSE Linux. This week I had to download the Culmus fonts again, via http://culmus.sourceforge.net/. I did it by giving the command rpm -i http:// [etc] .rpm, and then I got a warning that some .rpmsave and .rpmnew files were installed too.
That is usually no problem, it only means that the rpm package marked some files as config files. config files might have been edited by the user, therefore rpm creates a backup copy of the old config file something.rpmsave, or, if the config file is marked as "noreplace" in the rpm, it installs the new config files as something.rpmnew. The the user has to look into the .rpmnew file and decide for himself whether he wants to use that new config file or not.
It turned out, when I looked for hidden files, that a number of the following items were sneakily installed as hidden files.
Maybe it has something to do with my computer (suse 9.1), but this is what I found (the .rpm puts nothing in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts but I copied some fonts there myself):
/usr/local/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /opt/kde3/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/.fonts-config-timestamp
These files are created by /usr/sbin/fonts-config which is called by SuSEconfig. I.e. these files are nothing to worry about, this is completely normal. They are created to check whether fonts-config needs to do any work. If there is nothing new in the font directories, fonts-config immediately exits to save time.
I was surprised because I didn't know these fonts were restricted, they're all GNU and stuf, I thought. They nowhere say you have to pay. The result was that they worked for a while, and after one or two sessions the fonts didn't show anymore.
Certainly this has nothing to do with the fonts being restricted.
If the Culmus fonts were to be a default in the next Suse Linux, these sneaky things had better be left out. And I wonder what an .rpmnew or .rpmsave file would be doing. It prevented me from letting YaST get rid of the Culmus package! YaST thinks there is no Culmus, but there still is.
YaST doesn't know about 3rd party packages, i.e. packages which are not from the SuSE distribution you are using. If you want to delete such a package, do it manually with rpm -e package just like you did install them with "rpm -i package".
I think my fonts now work, because I threw it all out except the fonts themselves, manually, but I'll see what happens.
To make sure that all configuration files are correct, please run /usr/sbin/fonts-config --force as root. The option "--force" makes sure that all config files are recreated no matter whether it appears to be necessary according to the timestamps or not. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
On 8/3/05, hermanmeester <hermanmeester@hetnet.nl> wrote:
Hello Mike, and others interested,
A while ago you mentioned that the Culmus hebrew Type1 font package could be installed by default in the next version of SuSE Linux. This week I had to download the Culmus fonts again, via http://culmus.sourceforge.net/. I did it by giving the command rpm -i http:// [etc] .rpm, and then I got a warning that some .rpmsave and .rpmnew files were installed too. It turned out, when I looked for hidden files, that a number of the following items were sneakily installed as hidden files. Maybe it has something to do with my computer (suse 9.1), but this is what I found (the .rpm puts nothing in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts but I copied some fonts there myself):
/usr/local/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /opt/kde3/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/.fonts-config-timestamp /usr/share/fonts/he/.fonts-config-timestamp
I was surprised because I didn't know these fonts were restricted, they're all GNU and stuf, I thought. They nowhere say you have to pay. The result was that they worked for a while, and after one or two sessions the fonts didn't show anymore. If the Culmus fonts were to be a default in the next Suse Linux, these sneaky things had better be left out. And I wonder what an .rpmnew or .rpmsave file would be doing. It prevented me from letting YaST get rid of the Culmus package! YaST thinks there is no Culmus, but there still is. I think my fonts now work, because I threw it all out except the fonts themselves, manually, but I'll see what happens. Has anyone else seen funny things happen with Culmus? So far, I recommend to be careful with it. Or is it just me who is infected with funny software?
Regards, Herman
Herman, This doesn't answer your question about Culmus fonts, but I also had a hard time finding a font for my system that looked good in English and in Hebrew. I finally downloaded the Tahoma font from Microsoft, and am very happy. Verenda is also very similar to Tahoma and displays well in English and in Hebrew. The only font that I found in a standard Linux distro that halfway looks good in both languages is Ellinia. The Hebrew is a little fancy (not biblical fancy, mind you), but I got used to that quickly. I will be happy to send to you Tahoma and Ellinia if you want. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/124/collins_phil.php Collins, Phil Song Lyrics
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