Streamlining distribution pages
Hi, I'm gonna annoy you some more ;) I've been working on getting get-o-o into a page that helps people understand the distributions, not just download them. I became kinda worried, albeit inspired, that we were going into the wrong direction after microos.opensuse.org became a thing. So on a separate branch I started revamping some of it to better represent the distros by themselves: https://github.com/openSUSE/get-o-o/tree/hellcp/revamp And this is what it currently looks like (it's highly subject to change depending on discussions): Kubic Overview https://i.imgur.com/py0pbuH.png Kubic Downloads https://i.imgur.com/xmsG91V.png MicroOS Overview https://i.imgur.com/MjZQAlB.png MicroOS Downloads https://i.imgur.com/OymKYR4.png I do want to also have a set of points for Kubic (and Leap), but I haven't gotten around to adding them Some people indicated to me that while this style of download may work perfectly fine for Tumbleweed and Leap, it's gonna be (and visibly already is) a nightmare for Kubic and MicroOS. There are a few ways I'm considering fixing it, but I still would appreciate feedback if you have any. At the end of the day I want those pages to function as a combination (and replacement) of Portal:$distribution pages, the current get.opensuse.org pages as well as marketing material, informing the user of what the point is to begin with, and so we have single clear place for informing the users of everything that goes on with the distributions without having 10 different places for it. LCP [Sasi] https://lcp.world
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 15:50 +0000, Sasi Olin wrote:
Some people indicated to me that while this style of download may work perfectly fine for Tumbleweed and Leap, it's gonna be (and visibly already is) a nightmare for Kubic and MicroOS. There are a few ways I'm considering fixing it, but I still would appreciate feedback if you have any.
Why is this only a problem for MicroOS and Kubic? Tumbleweed and Leap have even MORE images...
Richard Brown wrote:
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 15:50 +0000, Sasi Olin wrote:
Some people indicated to me that while this style of download may work perfectly fine for Tumbleweed and Leap, it's gonna be (and visibly already is) a nightmare for Kubic and MicroOS. There are a few ways I'm considering fixing it, but I still would appreciate feedback if you have any.
Why is this only a problem for MicroOS and Kubic? Tumbleweed and Leap have even MORE images...
It's not necessarily any more of a problem, for Leap and Tumbleweed we only show the installation images and other downloads are quite a bit more hidden. It's a matter of choosing the defaults, or finding an alternate solution for displaying the images ;) LCP [Sasi] https://lcp.world
Am 08.02.21 um 16:50 Uhr schrieb Sasi Olin:
I'm gonna annoy you some more ;)
Excellent :-)
I've been working on getting get-o-o into a page that helps people understand the distributions, not just download them.
Definitely a good idea! I'm just wondering: What's the difference between https://get.opensuse.org/ and the download pages on https://software.opensuse.org (referenced from our main website opensuse.org)? Shouldn't one of them be replaced by the other one?
I became kinda worried, albeit inspired, that we were going into the wrong direction after microos.opensuse.org became a thing.
So on a separate branch I started revamping some of it to better represent the distros by themselves: https://github.com/openSUSE/get-o-o/tree/hellcp/revamp
I really like that, I always found it confusing to have MicroOS and Kubic as part of the Tumbleweed download without any further explanation.
And this is what it currently looks like (it's highly subject to change depending on discussions):
Kubic Overview https://i.imgur.com/py0pbuH.png Kubic Downloads https://i.imgur.com/xmsG91V.png MicroOS Overview https://i.imgur.com/MjZQAlB.png MicroOS Downloads https://i.imgur.com/OymKYR4.png
I really like that we have a dedicated download site instead of a link to a Wiki page. However there will have to be a reference to the Ignition / Combustion / cloud-init documentation, as all of the images will require configuration - just providing the image file itself will probably lead to frustration if the users don't know how to use them...
I do want to also have a set of points for Kubic (and Leap), but I haven't gotten around to adding them> Some people indicated to me that while this style of download may work perfectly fine for Tumbleweed and Leap, it's gonna be (and visibly already is) a nightmare for Kubic and MicroOS. There are a few ways I'm considering fixing it, but I still would appreciate feedback if you have any.
At the end of the day I want those pages to function as a combination (and replacement) of Portal:$distribution pages, the current get.opensuse.org pages as well as marketing material, informing the user of what the point is to begin with, and so we have single clear place for informing the users of everything that goes on with the distributions without having 10 different places for it.
So the plan is to get rid of both https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS and https://microos.opensuse.org/ (same for Kubic) and put all information onto the download page? Cheers, Ignaz
Ignaz Forster wrote:
Definitely a good idea! I'm just wondering: What's the difference between https://get.opensuse.org/ and the download pages on https://software.opensuse.org (referenced from our main website opensuse.org)? Shouldn't one of them be replaced by the other one?
https://news.opensuse.org/2021/02/08/reducing-the-scope-of-software-o-o/
I really like that we have a dedicated download site instead of a link to a Wiki page. However there will have to be a reference to the Ignition / Combustion / cloud-init documentation, as all of the images will require configuration - just providing the image file itself will probably lead to frustration if the users don't know how to use them...
Fair point, I will add links for that
So the plan is to get rid of both https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS and https://microos.opensuse.org/ (same for Kubic) and put all information onto the download page?
For MicroOS, I would say yes, if on both sides we are satisfied with how the section on get-o-o turned out, our common goal should be to simplify. For Kubic, it provides information on the team that wouldn't really fit on get-o-o, so while I would redirect for Kubic and MicroOS downloads on get-o-o from kubic-o-o, I wouldn't deprecate it, it's a valuable resource and hopefully will continue being such ;) LCP [Sasi] https://lcp.world
On Wed, Feb 17, Sasi Olin wrote:
So the plan is to get rid of both https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS and https://microos.opensuse.org/ (same for Kubic) and put all information onto the download page?
For MicroOS, I would say yes, if on both sides we are satisfied with how the section on get-o-o turned out, our common goal should be to simplify. For Kubic, it provides information on the team that wouldn't really fit on get-o-o, so while I would redirect for Kubic and MicroOS downloads on get-o-o from kubic-o-o, I wouldn't deprecate it, it's a valuable resource and hopefully will continue being such ;)
You are missing the marketing affect. The main "marketing" for a product should not be done on a download side, but on the main brand page. The download side should then be a sub-page with all important informations to install the product, but not hide the advertisement of the product. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & MicroOS SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany Managing Director: Felix Imendoerffer (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)
On Wed, 2021-02-17 at 18:31 +0100, Thorsten Kukuk wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, Sasi Olin wrote:
So the plan is to get rid of both https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS and https://microos.opensuse.org/ (same for Kubic) and put all information onto the download page?
For MicroOS, I would say yes, if on both sides we are satisfied with how the section on get-o-o turned out, our common goal should be to simplify. For Kubic, it provides information on the team that wouldn't really fit on get-o-o, so while I would redirect for Kubic and MicroOS downloads on get-o-o from kubic-o-o, I wouldn't deprecate it, it's a valuable resource and hopefully will continue being such ;)
You are missing the marketing affect. The main "marketing" for a product should not be done on a download side, but on the main brand page. The download side should then be a sub-page with all important informations to install the product, but not hide the advertisement of the product.
Thorsten
Exactly - while I appreciate and like the increase of information on get-o-o compared to the past, I do not think it supplants the role that microos.opensuse.org and kubic.opensuse.org play in spreading the word about those specific (and special) distributions. -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer
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