On Tuesday 08 of July 2014 16:18:07 timothy.m.butterworth(a)gmail.com
3.12.x has been out for quite a while it is not
exactly cutting edge,
and has had a number of maintenance patches applied to it so I see no
real issue in migrating openSUSE updates to it. I do not know any
user that would be unhappy about this.
All software has defects, regressions happen, keeping old software
does not really help in any way as far as I am concerned. Most
regressions are found and corrected quickly. Most users are happy
when they get new features which generates the best form of positive
No, they are not. For most users, it's more like in this strip:
If the distribution doesn't work on some hardware from the start or if
the user is missing some new feature, it makes sense for him/her to try
newer version from OBS or try Tumbleweed or even Factory.
Most users, however, have already installed and working systems and
would be very annoyed if they just updated the system and it stopped
working. And be sure that if we just throwed in a 3.14 or 3.15 kernel,
this would happen and people would be very unhappy. When we moved from
2.6.37 to SLE-based 3.0 kernel in Evergreen 11.4 for very good reasons,
there were people who complained because things stopped working for them
(and not all of them because of missing NVidia/fglrx drivers).
From the maintainability point of view, it makes sense
to move to kernel
based either on Canonical's 3.11.10.z or on stable 3.12.y or
All these have their pros and cons and I would welcome a discussion
about which of these three would be the most suitable (taking Evergreen
into account). But I don't see much advantage in moving to 3.14.y
instead; while it would help some new installation, it would also
unnecessarily heighten the risk of regressions and breaking existing
openSUSE is not an Enterprise targeted distro, it is
community targeted distro sitting in the middle between Enterprise
and bleeding edge, it would be nice to push it a little further
toward bleeding edge and a little less toward enterprise and start
regularly bumping core components up after they have been released
for general consumption for 3-4 months.
The more the software versions age the more users/developers we loose!
I am all for only needing to do a full system upgrade about once a
year but I still want relatively new software and regular updates. If
I wanted old software with large amounts of new hardware headaches I
would use SLED.
Since SUSE is supposedly breaking away form direct developer SUSE paid
employee support for openSUSE sadly we can also break away form
openSUSE being testing platform for SLED/SLES some as well and do
some version jumps.
I do not know anyone that is really happy running 3.11.x when 3.15.x
is out for general consumption.
For example, I'm running few systems with OpenSuSE 13.1 and only on one
of them I installed a newer kernel (because of driver for a sound card
I'm experimenting with). As a result, suspend to disk seems completely
broken. I see no point in upgrading a kernel on those that work, why
should I? Where I want/need new kernel, I have sources to get it; but
I'm glad noone is forcing it on me in a regular update.
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