[opensuse-kernel] i386/vanilla non-pae?
Hi, does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it? Thanks, Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:34:54 +0100, Michal Marek wrote:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it?
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386. This may lead to another Pandora's box, to drop non-pae option ;) Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 21.11.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Takashi Iwai:
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
This may lead to another Pandora's box, to drop non-pae option ;)
Support for which CPUs will be gone with PAE-only kernels? I still have some x86-32 hardware lying around (but to be honest, I have not been really using it lately, because I now also have spare x86_64 machines for testing and playing around), so it would be good to know which ones might still work (or on which of those I finally might try out yocto/Poky for serious non-embedded use :-) Have fun, seife -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
Le Saturday 21 November 2015 à 10:34 +0100, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :
Am 21.11.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Takashi Iwai:
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
This may lead to another Pandora's box, to drop non-pae option ;)
Support for which CPUs will be gone with PAE-only kernels?
As far as Intel is concerned, you would lose support for Pentium, Pentium MMX, Celeron M and Pentium M (at least the ones with 400 MHz FSB, which were released in 2004, probably sold until 2006.) I still have an old Panasonic CF-18 laptop with a Pentium M processor and I know the pae kernel doesn't work on it. But I can't say I'm really using it anymore. I have no clue about other x86 vendors. -- Jean Delvare SUSE L3 Support -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 11/21/15 4:29 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:34:54 +0100, Michal Marek wrote:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it?
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
This may lead to another Pandora's box, to drop non-pae option ;)
I'd be all for it, but every time it gets brought up, someone wants to make sure their 15 year old hardware still works. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWUNtsAAoJEB57S2MheeWytlYP/1Gqc0QAj4vP+E3YeR6FxSj+ F1Q2q9nxjWpQVoc6lnx0OduCF2p2sZ2TAgzul99cA/yF0BGOKjqHtftqBW46IdGo mc6qR3wFzyT3IUHubSg7z3mJxhcugFVn/j8ftr0xMbunsH3LyvBPEnH5jhymUuqf 8F2MXXND9PEVmQV7p1VjYmnnVq8pGtnKiSJOhl79+pivRR8p9+8X+VQ/WYCpBgJv bnYIOWuRtGAHLetWLvoR8EKzE1juiAt2PNr3/YkRHJ0U2iKvx5dwBF6mWo12qXVI +9vu5fKnOR2v5aVqM3W8gmOhiPNxyP8daZtzB63TNrnMzoGHGJQ4zJWsQs2Iqyso 9aEyjhRUa0ElFIus0X98s0bRXS1loYe3/vv82363jBSJgtKpQ97fiipLbbFyQnug drdOTF6ABOx7Fsku5DkxHVTDf/RBP1mH5+3m+eMXmR+27CAHwZST5a/A9JK9mVy4 3egXH5T0NRdSFE4JZdWtO1xzT5b16z+YluuzvxiCUFQquBt5Mmx8wzQnVfoNmrNI MWbV3D+S0QeIMsXCk6MAqMGgrDIuTeZXWPBtPUDJ8QAATI+HBIfbb8CD8x9RX+9Y sdEucw2CVzVUmY9x4SZkf8G2xesVXjKOuAxy0cJuvM0Y4i0hWksQ/t6ERaBrvD5n 7F/94m493hWNmgHR7wG0 =WOKD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-21 22:00, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
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On 11/21/15 4:29 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:34:54 +0100, Michal Marek wrote:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it?
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
I guessed so. So it's no big deal if I align i386/vanill with i386/pae?
This may lead to another Pandora's box, to drop non-pae option ;)
I'd be all for it, but every time it gets brought up, someone wants to make sure their 15 year old hardware still works.
That's a topic I did not want to touch :). And I think i386/{default,pae,vanilla} will die together one day. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-23 14:44, Michal Marek wrote:
On 2015-11-21 22:00, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
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On 11/21/15 4:29 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:34:54 +0100, Michal Marek wrote:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it?
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
I guessed so. So it's no big deal if I align i386/vanill with i386/pae?
Pull request sent. I also enabled Xen in {i386,x86}/vanilla while at it. Also, I moved patches.rpmify/rpm-kernel-config and patches.rpmify/split-package to patches.suse, to make the -vanilla configs really subsets of the -default/-pae counterparts. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/15 9:34 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
On 2015-11-23 14:44, Michal Marek wrote:
On 2015-11-21 22:00, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
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On 11/21/15 4:29 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:34:54 +0100, Michal Marek wrote:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is a reason why the i386/vanilla flavor does not enable pae? I assume that those who still run 32bit kernels do so on pae-cabable hardware and run kernel-pae, so a vanilla flavor with the same config would make more sense, wouldn't it?
I guess it's just because the vanilla config is aligned in general with kernel-default, which is still without pae on i386.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
I guessed so. So it's no big deal if I align i386/vanill with i386/pae?
Pull request sent. I also enabled Xen in {i386,x86}/vanilla while at it. Also, I moved patches.rpmify/rpm-kernel-config and patches.rpmify/split-package to patches.suse, to make the -vanilla configs really subsets of the -default/-pae counterparts.
Thanks. I've pulled it into my repo and will push after I do the 4.4-rc3 update. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWXF65AAoJEB57S2MheeWyfRkP/0hHIghiILkw7jWrS3ibQUTM mLgvkrdsTolK8KKyqmxLy8gtBBv4mXUygaB/dR5ggB4ImDAEwxKoYdtuGga6PZJ6 T17mopssjZXpH6udvhJQrLlPUQIOY0kBgZpS58uGV8meQxgk74BSVKnDoHQIuOTX Pc2rpu8gmEW7dVlQ6DwOzbc55cJTT+w1q2T/4/RUCYl1RTXPHSSqu/xYyJlOpYOA rZUpHR22Y7x8q5R35IVK/CUyKCPVOwYxj12T4IK7z3Y9eX6+xc4LRCV2jwBT9wiV tDQyQjanZGZhT75wgMAZmhuZ82+m2eTdg1LFokG+PUd3RImhRVN7DxASumprFEUG UmwBMmi0p/I68aYey8ZxekEWGolukokfXBo+/BfLvFdnnnjaSfK45gKkWkoc/+NC Q6gQZ0zt+I8B4XsY4l1Ei+22qpYUEBuxXFsuCFkHHO589DL8BIlzOk/p9hJTPFRm rEccYGs+Ssba21LMNuC9B6qxg0vNGuVofDVhBJmDl7JXGp+9XD5rp408IAQXfj2w dzTetyR2xmLtYfpaq8jfvbdaDcacnCEPulOTPYJrnXYo6cLTygFEPG0LHaZBT4D/ yZflBGIANlrmBBNPuBWjSVxhU7nZtQO3M5k36YLRykedyqgzZijDq4Wc/gowYd+G XCYQmSJN0+z9NTJZ9piP =uZK8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org
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