I didn't really expect to, since they look like kernel modules, and I really only have a problem with the latter. I bought a $30US HD5450 (Evergreen) Radeon so I'd have some non-Intel gfxchip newer than 7 years old here. It will have cost $15 net once I claim the available rebate. I first tried it in a 32 bit i915G system after freshly updating 12.3, 13.1 and 13.2. Everything worked as expected in all three, then I put in the Radeon, and tried first 13.2. Init progressed for about 20 seconds, then announced "switching to radeondrmfb from VESA VGA", and promptly stopped updating the screen. From there I experimented a bit and figured out I can keep video working by eliminating both vga= and video= from cmdline, but that's not OK here. I pulled the card back out, then updated 13.1 and 13.2 on a 64 bit Intel 4000 system that already had Radeon, an older X600. After determining everything works as expected on 12.3, 13.1 and 13.2, I swapped the 5450 into the X600's slot. Everything works as expected with it too. So, I undid the swap, put the newer system back on the shelf, and put the 5450 back into the i915 system. I tried 13.1/Jiri's 3.12.22 kernel, but same problem. Next, 12.3, no problem. Next, 13.1 again, but with 3.11.10, and video stays working. Rawhide/3.17rc1git2 on the 915 system with 5450 card finds the radeondrmfb during boot and works as expected. Lsmod there shows drm_kms_helper and radeon and ttm for drm. In 13.1 remote login I see this excerpt in dmesg: [ 22.500935] r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/CEDAR_pfp.bin" [ 22.500957] [drm:evergreen_init] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! [ 22.500973] radeon 0000:01:00.0: Fatal error during GPU init [ 22.500987] [drm] radeon: finishing device. [ 22.508073] [TTM] Finalizing pool allocator [ 22.508142] [TTM] Zone kernel: Used memory at exit: 0 kiB [ 22.508157] [TTM] Zone highmem: Used memory at exit: 0 kiB [ 22.508164] [drm] radeon: ttm finalized [ 22.508688] radeon: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -2 Searhing for string radeondrmfb in Novell Bugzilla turns up nothing. Searching for *drm* in /lib/modules I see no differences in names for 3.11 and 3.12. Searching with zypper for irmware I see nothing that looks like it's for ATI or Radeon or any installed kernel. Remote login is broken for 13.2. I tried without proper cmdline to install 3.17rc1vanilla in 13.2, but initrd creation failed (and yet do_purge_kernels got created). At that point I uninstalled vanilla, and tried installing kernel-firmware. That worked, after 5 hours of head banging. :-( Why this impediment to upgrading gfxcards in openSUSE? Shouldn't kernel-firmware have already been installed? Why do only some gfxchips need it? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+owner@opensuse.org