http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:14, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Wow! Thanks for the seven month old article </sarcasm>
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 9:44 pm, Stephen Boddy wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:14, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Wow! Thanks for the seven month old article </sarcasm>
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
'Saright. It was a "new" post (news) even though it was "old." It's one I hadn't seen, and I do see most new articles, so figured that maybe there were others here who hadn't seen it.
Fred
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 9:44 pm, Stephen Boddy wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:14, Fred A. Miller
wrote:
Wow! Thanks for the seven month old article
</sarcasm> > > Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
'Saright. It was a "new" post (news) even though it was "old." It's one I hadn't seen, and I do see most new articles, so figured that maybe there were others here who hadn't seen it.
I had not seen it and I saved your email so thanks for posting it, nowdays there is so much "news" there is not enough time to get it and assimilated it all at once. Thanks for posting :). george
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On Friday 07 April 2006 02:06, George Stoianov wrote:
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 9:44 pm, Stephen Boddy
wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:14, Fred A. Miller
wrote:
Wow! Thanks for the seven month old article
</sarcasm>
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
'Saright. It was a "new" post (news) even though it was "old." It's one I hadn't seen, and I do see most new articles, so figured that maybe there were others here who hadn't seen it.
I had not seen it and I saved your email so thanks for posting it, nowdays there is so much "news" there is not enough time to get it and assimilated it all at once. Thanks for posting :). george
Jess (the author of the linked article) hasn't posted any updates for a while, but to be honest I don't think you're going to get any substantive feel for what KDE4 is really going to be like till the backend of the year at the earliest. At the moment it's all very much brainstorming, setting goals and so on. There's some new eye candy (Oxygen icons and mockups), and lots of backend infrastructure stuff (porting kde to qt4) going on, but all the "Oo-ooh! Aa-aah!" features are going to take some time before the end users are going to be able to play with them all.
But right now I'm pretty darned comfy in my 3.5.2 ;-)
--- Stephen Boddy stephen.boddy@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 02:06, George Stoianov wrote:
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com
wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 9:44 pm, Stephen
Boddy
wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 02:14, Fred A.
Miller
wrote:
http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
Wow! Thanks for the seven month old article
</sarcasm>
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
'Saright. It was a "new" post (news) even though
it
was "old." It's one I hadn't seen, and I do see most new articles, so figured that maybe there were others here who hadn't seen it.
I had not seen it and I saved your email so thanks
for
posting it, nowdays there is so much "news" there
is
not enough time to get it and assimilated it all
at
once. Thanks for posting :). george
Jess (the author of the linked article) hasn't posted any updates for a while, but to be honest I don't think you're going to get any substantive feel for what KDE4 is really going to be like till the backend of the year at the earliest. At the moment it's all very much brainstorming, setting goals and so on. There's some new eye candy (Oxygen icons and mockups),
Do you have a link?? or is it just the main site?
and lots of backend infrastructure stuff (porting kde to qt4) going on, but all the "Oo-ooh! Aa-aah!" features are going to take some time before the end users are going to be able to play with them all.
But right now I'm pretty darned comfy in my 3.5.2 ;-)
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have not upgraded, is 3.5 that much different?? Thanks, George
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On Friday 07 April 2006 03:49, George Stoianov wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have not upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Hmmm. Tough one to answer. It's a bit prettier, a little slicker, and there's features here and there that are useful. But on the flipside, it's not "supported" by Novell/SuSE, and doesn't get the level of QA that the mainline gets.
If you're experienced, don't mind getting stuck in when you encounter an oddity, then I'd say it is worth it. Take a look at the release notes on: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.php http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5to3_5_1.php http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_1to3_5_2.php to see the major things that might tempt you.
Interestingly I saw on kde.org that they are aiming for an October time Tech Preview. Nice to be right ;-) There's also a working list of KDE4 features at: http://wiki.kde.org/KDE+4+Goals for anyone who's curious.
Hi again,
--- Stephen Boddy stephen.boddy@btinternet.com wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 03:49, George Stoianov wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have
not
upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Hmmm. Tough one to answer. It's a bit prettier, a little slicker, and there's features here and there that are useful. But on the flipside, it's not "supported" by Novell/SuSE, and doesn't get the level of QA that the mainline gets.
I think I will wait for a supported one, I love KDE but I don't have the time to fix stuff as I use SuSE for my daily work...maybe I can do it on one of my home boxes..
If you're experienced, don't mind getting stuck in when you encounter an oddity, then I'd say it is worth it. Take a look at the release notes on: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.php
http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5to3_5_1.php
http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_1to3_5_2.php
to see the major things that might tempt you.
Thanks for the links
Interestingly I saw on kde.org that they are aiming for an October time Tech Preview. Nice to be right ;-) There's also a working list of KDE4 features at: http://wiki.kde.org/KDE+4+Goals for anyone who's curious.
Wow there are some really good plans I hope we'll see some of these soon :).
regards, george
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On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:49 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have not upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Yes, and no. ;) There's a lot of bug fixes, and yes - there are new features and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do upgrade.
Fred
On 4/10/06, Fred A. Miller fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do upgrade.
Upgrade to KDE 3.52. 3.50 has a serious KCalc bug and 3.51 has a serious Kicker bug. 3.52 is bug-free in that respect...
--- Shriramana Sharma samjnaa@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/10/06, Fred A. Miller fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do upgrade.
Upgrade to KDE 3.52. 3.50 has a serious KCalc bug and 3.51 has a serious Kicker bug. 3.52 is bug-free in that respect...
Thanks for the tip. george
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Hi Fred,
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:49 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have
not
upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Yes, and no. ;) There's a lot of bug fixes, and yes
- there are new features
and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do upgrade.
Thanks for the tip, I think I will hold off for the moment and update when the official one comes out..if I find a spare hour I would give it a shot. How long did it take you to upgrade?? Thanks, George
Fred
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On Monday 10 April 2006 1:21 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
Hi Fred,
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:49 pm, George Stoianov
wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and have
not
upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Yes, and no. ;) There's a lot of bug fixes, and yes
- there are new features
and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do upgrade.
Thanks for the tip, I think I will hold off for the moment and update when the official one comes out..if I find a spare hour I would give it a shot. How long did it take you to upgrade??
I have RoadRunner so it was maybe 8 mins.
Fred
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Monday 10 April 2006 1:21 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
Hi Fred,
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com
wrote:
On Thursday 06 April 2006 10:49 pm, George
Stoianov
wrote:
I am still on 3.4 using the boxed version and
have
not
upgraded, is 3.5 that much different??
Yes, and no. ;) There's a lot of bug fixes, and
yes
- there are new features
and eye candy. I'd recommend that you do
upgrade.
Thanks for the tip, I think I will hold off for
the
moment and update when the official one comes
out..if
I find a spare hour I would give it a shot. How
long
did it take you to upgrade??
I have RoadRunner so it was maybe 8 mins.
Fred
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up more than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved and how it needs to happen etc.???
Thanks, george
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On Saturday 15 April 2006 15:59, George Stoianov wrote:
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up more than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved and how it needs to happen etc.???
Typically with an upgrade (particularly from SuSE repositry) you shouldn't have to do any setup work. You install it and continue working as you were for the most part. Sometimes the default method of doing something has changed, and you may stumble the first time it does something different, or when you look for an expected function that has moved or changed. Also you may not be immediately aware that there are added abilities.
I don't recall any particular setup work involved when updating KDE through YaST.
See: http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Packages_Repositories_to_YaST and: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories for all you should ever need to know about updating your current SuSE system.
"Stephen Boddy" stephen.boddy@btinternet.com said:
On Saturday 15 April 2006 15:59, George Stoianov wrote:
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up more than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved and how it needs to happen etc.???
Typically with an upgrade (particularly from SuSE repositry) you shouldn't have to do any setup work. You install it and continue working as you were for the most part. Sometimes the default method of doing something has changed, and you may stumble the first time it does something different, or when you look for an expected function that has moved or changed. Also you may not be immediately aware that there are added abilities.
I don't recall any particular setup work involved when updating KDE through YaST.
See: http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Packages_Repositories_to_YaST and: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories for all you should ever need to know about updating your current SuSE system.
2006-04-15: The first link was not found, but I found this one:
http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories#Add_YaST_Packages_Repositories
On Saturday 15 April 2006 17:54, DogWalker wrote:
"Stephen Boddy" stephen.boddy@btinternet.com said:
See: http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Packages_Repositories_to_YaST and: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories for all you should ever need to know about updating your current SuSE system.
2006-04-15: The first link was not found, but I found this one:
http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories#Add_YaST_Packages_Repositories
Both those links work for me from KMail?!? Heck, one of them is linked to by the article you refer to!
--- Stephen Boddy stephen.boddy@btinternet.com wrote:
On Saturday 15 April 2006 15:59, George Stoianov wrote:
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up
more
than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved
and
how it needs to happen etc.???
Typically with an upgrade (particularly from SuSE repositry) you shouldn't have to do any setup work. You install it and continue working as you were for the most part. Sometimes the default method of doing something has changed, and you may stumble the first time it does something different, or when you look for an expected function that has moved or changed. Also you may not be immediately aware that there are added abilities.
I don't recall any particular setup work involved when updating KDE through YaST.
See:
http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Packages_Repositories_to_YaST
and:
http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories
for all you should ever need to know about updating your current SuSE system. -- Steve Boddy
So it is just a YaST rpm package that is a lot easier than I thought :).
Thanks, George
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On Saturday 15 April 2006 10:59 am, George Stoianov wrote:
I have RoadRunner so it was maybe 8 mins.
Fred
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up more than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved and how it needs to happen etc.???
Sorry..... misunderstood. Only have what apps. are needed loaded. Once the upgrade is done, log out and back in, or IMHO, it's better to reboot. It will use the current setup.
Fred
--- "Fred A. Miller" fmiller@lightlink.com wrote:
On Saturday 15 April 2006 10:59 am, George Stoianov wrote:
I have RoadRunner so it was maybe 8 mins.
Fred
Hi Fred, I was referring to time to get it set up
more
than time to download it. I have never done an KDE upgrade before and I don't know what is involved
and
how it needs to happen etc.???
Sorry..... misunderstood. Only have what apps. are needed loaded. Once the upgrade is done, log out and back in, or IMHO, it's better to reboot. It will use the current setup.
Fred
No need to apologize :) my perception was of an involved process with multiple steps, setting up stuff etc... - adding a YaST repository and pulling a package is way easier, if I new that as you do I would probably be only concerned with the download time ;). Thanks for the help. George
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On Saturday 15 April 2006 11:05 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
Sorry..... misunderstood. Only have what apps. are needed loaded. Once the upgrade is done, log out and back in, or IMHO, it's better to reboot. It will use the current setup.
Fred
No need to apologize :) my perception was of an involved process with multiple steps, setting up stuff etc... - adding a YaST repository and pulling a package is way easier, if I new that as you do I would probably be only concerned with the download time ;). Thanks for the help.
'Saright! Yast makes it easy.
Fred
On Thursday 06 April 2006 9:06 pm, George Stoianov wrote:
[snip]
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
'Saright. It was a "new" post (news) even though it was "old." It's one I hadn't seen, and I do see most new articles, so figured that maybe there were others here who hadn't seen it.
I had not seen it and I saved your email so thanks for posting it, nowdays there is so much "news" there is not enough time to get it and assimilated it all at once. Thanks for posting :).
'Saright. You're right about there being a LOT daily! I "filter" it best I can for what I think people here might want to read......most anyway. :)
Fred
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