C wrote

This has been discussed to death on the main openSUSE mailing list... One person's ugly tray icons are another's nice tray icons. I happen to like the grey icons.

It was a conscious decision by the KDE devs... monochrome icons represent KDE system apps, color are 3rd party.

You can install the color icons from KDE-Look.org See: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Plasma+%28%3E%3D4.5%29+System+T ray+Icons?content=134914

I think if Linux is about one thing, it is about choice. Thanx for the hint, will try the kde-look attempt. Malte -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:17 PM, C wrote:

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 22:57, Malte Gell wrote:

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do we really need to copy every look and feel from MS Windows!? I find the new sys tray icons so damn ugly.... I want those colorful icons back!  And it really looks silly when the new icons get mixed with icons that are not aware of the new look.

This has been discussed to death on the main openSUSE mailing list... One person's ugly tray icons are another's nice tray icons.  I happen to like the grey icons.

It was a conscious decision by the KDE devs... monochrome icons represent KDE system apps, color are 3rd party.

You can install the color icons from KDE-Look.org  See: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Plasma+%28%3E%3D4.5%29+System+Tr...

To say that it has been "discussed" is, IMO, being a bit disingenuous.

From *my* perspective, that conversation has been rather one-sided, with typically three responses:

a) this is the first I've heard of that b) everyone we asked likes the white icons c) changing it hard (ie, "remove this file and that file and change these other files over here by hand, and oh by the way as soon as the package gets updated you get to do it all again") This topic came up *months* ago. Even if (a) were true, that doesn't somehow make the preference for more colorful icons any less valid. It's entirely possible (even probable! I have no reason to doubt the word of those that say that it _was_ discussed!) that, when the topic first came up way deep in the early development process, the devs turned to each other and they decided that white icons were better than colorful ones. Even so, *that* doesn't invalidate people's preferences for the contrary. I would really like to see an installable (packaged!) theme for both white and colorful icons, and let the users choose. The fact that the topic *does* keep coming up is, in my opinion, evidence enough that people are going to want the choice. Before openSUSE 11.4 ships, preferably. Otherwise, people are going to feel that choices contrary to their preferences have been made for them and many won't find a reasonable means of recourse. To be perfectly clear - I have no intent on being insulting (and if I have been, it has been by accident!). I know how hard it is to try to please everybody - but this *does* seem to be one of the most contentious issues of KDE 4.5 and 4.6, and I humbly request that the *option* for colorful icons be made available in an easy-to-install form (and by this I mean fully packaged RPMs in the KDE repository). -- Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, C wrote:

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 23:40, Jon Nelson  wrote:

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I would really like to see an installable (packaged!) theme for both white and colorful icons, and let the users choose. The fact that the topic *does* keep coming up is, in my opinion, evidence enough that people are going to want the choice. Before openSUSE 11.4 ships, preferably. Otherwise, people are going to feel that choices contrary to their preferences have been made for them and many won't find a reasonable means of recourse.

To be perfectly clear - I have no intent on being insulting (and if I have been, it has been by accident!).  I know how hard it is to try to please everybody - but this *does* seem to be one of the most contentious issues of KDE 4.5 and 4.6, and I humbly request that the *option* for colorful icons be made available in an easy-to-install form (and by this I mean fully packaged RPMs in the KDE repository).

I agree, it would be nice if it was user selectable... a toggle in the options would be the nicest from a user standpoint - has anyone opened a bug/feature request for this on kde.org? (I haven't looked for a solution since the icon colors don't matter to me)

It would also be great if it was an "extra" installable RPM for openSUSE - an added value feature :-)  Time for an openFATE for this? Or someone could volunteer to maintain the package for openSUSE 11.4....

Just adding to the suggestion here.

C.

As I said in the last discussion on this, it is defined by your plasma theme. Just find a plasma theme that has colored icons. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 02/05/2011 01:07 PM, C wrote:

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 17:21, todd rme wrote:

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As I said in the last discussion on this, it is defined by your plasma theme. Just find a plasma theme that has colored icons.

Just for clarity, I'm happy with the default monochrome systray icons, and I'm not looking to change them on my KDE4 installs.

When you (todd) said the icons are theme related (I guess I missed it in the last discussion) I thought I'd try to find a theme that had color icons. I just now installed 26 new themes (using Configure Desktop > Workspace Appearance > Desktop Theme > Get New Themes). Out of those 26 themes I installed, exactly zero had color systray icons. One, called Opaquity, had different icons that were slightly more grey than the default icons... that's the closest I found (in my random sample of new and top rated themes for KDE4) to a theme with "color" icons. In fact, this (Opaquity) is the only theme I found so far that actually changed the default icons in any way.

So.. given that highly unscientific test, I can understand why people who want color icons are spinning their proverbial wheels on this topic over and over. Finding a theme with color icons is not a simple case of "just install a different theme"... what theme should we be suggesting? We cannot fob the users off with a "solution" that, while most likely technically correct, is essentially useless to them.

I just tried an additional 8 themes (so a total of 34 themes piked at random)... still not one that changed the colors of the systray icons.

C.

Would it be too much to create a subset - under the themes strictly devoted to panels? Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 1:07 PM, C wrote:

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 17:21, todd rme wrote:

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As I said in the last discussion on this, it is defined by your plasma theme.  Just find a plasma theme that has colored icons.

Just for clarity, I'm happy with the default monochrome systray icons, and I'm not looking to change them on my KDE4 installs.

When you (todd) said the icons are theme related (I guess I missed it in the last discussion) I thought I'd try to find a theme that had color icons.  I just now installed 26 new themes (using Configure Desktop > Workspace Appearance > Desktop Theme > Get New Themes).  Out of those 26 themes I installed, exactly zero had color systray icons. One, called Opaquity, had different icons that were slightly more grey than the default icons... that's the closest I found (in my random sample of new and top rated themes for KDE4) to a theme with "color" icons.  In fact, this (Opaquity) is the only theme I found so far that actually changed the default icons in any way.

So.. given that highly unscientific test, I can understand why people who want color icons are spinning their proverbial wheels on this topic over and over.  Finding a theme with color icons is not a simple case of "just install a different theme"... what theme should we be suggesting?  We cannot fob the users off with a "solution" that, while most likely technically correct, is essentially useless to them.

I just tried an additional 8 themes (so a total of 34 themes piked at random)... still not one that changed the colors of the systray icons.

C.

Considering all it would take to make such a theme would be to take an existing theme, copy and paste a few files, then compress it again, the fact that nobody has bothered to do this indicates it is not that big a deal to most people. If many people were really that upset about it, I would think that by this point someone would have done something about it. If the problem is so minor that nobody can be bothered to copy and paste a couple of files, then I think it is far too minor to justify a separate option in the system tray configuration. We have a working solution, but nobody can be bothered to make use of it. That doesn't speak very highly of the problem's importance. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

On 02/04/2011 06:00 PM, C wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 23:40, Jon Nelson  wrote:

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I would really like to see an installable (packaged!) theme for both white and colorful icons, and let the users choose. The fact that the topic *does* keep coming up is, in my opinion, evidence enough that people are going to want the choice. Before openSUSE 11.4 ships, preferably. Otherwise, people are going to feel that choices contrary to their preferences have been made for them and many won't find a reasonable means of recourse.

To be perfectly clear - I have no intent on being insulting (and if I have been, it has been by accident!).  I know how hard it is to try to please everybody - but this *does* seem to be one of the most contentious issues of KDE 4.5 and 4.6, and I humbly request that the *option* for colorful icons be made available in an easy-to-install form (and by this I mean fully packaged RPMs in the KDE repository).

I agree, it would be nice if it was user selectable... a toggle in the options would be the nicest from a user standpoint - has anyone opened a bug/feature request for this on kde.org? (I haven't looked for a solution since the icon colors don't matter to me)

It would also be great if it was an "extra" installable RPM for openSUSE - an added value feature :-)  Time for an openFATE for this? Or someone could volunteer to maintain the package for openSUSE 11.4....

Just adding to the suggestion here.

C.

I had suggested that we have a toggle feature in either on the panel several months ago.

However, the consensus was white icons.

Can we not add this option in systemsettings?

First, as I keep saying, the icons are determined by the theme. Why do we need a toggle when someone can just change the theme? I think the developers would say, rightly in my opinion, that this is something that would should be handled by the theme, not by a checkbox in the settings. Second, it would be a per-system tray setting, so it would be in the system tray settings, not in system settings. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:

On 02/05/2011 11:50 AM, todd rme wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On 02/04/2011 06:00 PM, C wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 23:40, Jon Nelson  wrote:

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I would really like to see an installable (packaged!) theme for both white and colorful icons, and let the users choose. The fact that the topic *does* keep coming up is, in my opinion, evidence enough that people are going to want the choice. Before openSUSE 11.4 ships, preferably. Otherwise, people are going to feel that choices contrary to their preferences have been made for them and many won't find a reasonable means of recourse.

To be perfectly clear - I have no intent on being insulting (and if I have been, it has been by accident!).  I know how hard it is to try to please everybody - but this *does* seem to be one of the most contentious issues of KDE 4.5 and 4.6, and I humbly request that the *option* for colorful icons be made available in an easy-to-install form (and by this I mean fully packaged RPMs in the KDE repository).

I agree, it would be nice if it was user selectable... a toggle in the options would be the nicest from a user standpoint - has anyone opened a bug/feature request for this on kde.org? (I haven't looked for a solution since the icon colors don't matter to me)

It would also be great if it was an "extra" installable RPM for openSUSE - an added value feature :-)  Time for an openFATE for this? Or someone could volunteer to maintain the package for openSUSE 11.4....

Just adding to the suggestion here.

C.

I had suggested that we have a toggle feature in either on the panel several months ago.

However, the consensus was white icons.

Can we not add this option in systemsettings?

First, as I keep saying, the icons are determined by the theme.  Why do we need a toggle when someone can just change the theme?  I think the developers would say, rightly in my opinion, that this is something that would should be handled by the theme, not by a checkbox in the settings.

Second, it would be a per-system tray setting, so it would be in the system tray settings, not in system settings.

-Todd

Forgot about that. Adding this feature in the systray?

What is wrong with just using the plasma theme to handle this? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 4. Februar 2011, 23:40:21 schrieb Jon Nelson:

I would really like to see an installable (packaged!) theme for both white and colorful icons, and let the users choose. The fact that the topic *does* keep coming up is, in my opinion, evidence enough that people are going to want the choice. Before openSUSE 11.4 ships, preferably. Otherwise, people are going to feel that choices contrary to their preferences have been made for them and many won't find a reasonable means of recourse.

But was it not always the way that the user could pick the icon theme he wanted. It's the same now! You can pick the icon theme you want. If you pick the oxygen one you get what its authors packed into it - as it always was with icon-themes. Since it's open source you can take their work and create your own theme which you can package and distribute. It was the same situation for Nuvola and Crystal. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org