Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 11:03 (UTC-0700):

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Hi -I am running OpenSuSE Leap 15.3 x64 on one of my systems, and it is failing to start the desktop at the end of booting up. All I get is an XMessage box on a black screen with the error message "startkde: Could not start kdeinit5. Check your installation." Looking in the messages log file I see this message - messages:2022-06-04T13:45:32.942306-07:00 nova startplasma-x11[2747]: "/usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit_wrapper" ("--kded", "+kcminit_startup") exited with code 127 I don't grok this message and Google shows lots of old complaints about this problem but nothing current or seemingly relevant. Can some kind guru(s) help me to get this poor computer run and show my KDE desktop? I did use zypper up to make sure my computer has all the latest updates, but that gave no joy solving this problem. Probably something failed to upgrade or install. Run

zypper ve

to confirm all dependencies are met. Hi Felix, thanks for replying and yeah I am now working on my next

On 6/19/22 11:30, Felix Miata wrote: problem! ;-)  The output of the zypper ve command looks good... nova:/var/log #zypper ve Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Dependencies of all installed packages are satisfied. Marc... -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

On 6/19/22 12:21, Felix Miata wrote:

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 12:11 (UTC-0700):

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Dependencies of all installed packages are satisfied. Let's see output from

zypper lr -d | susepaste

Here you go Felix,  note I am using SSH to access this sick computer, hence that is probably the reason for the display error. nova:/var/log #zypper lr -d | susepaste Pasted as:   https://susepaste.org/48665208   https://paste.opensuse.org/48665208 Error: Can't open display: (null) Link is also in your clipboard.   HTHs Marc... -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

On 6/19/22 12:57, Felix Miata wrote:

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 12:38 (UTC-0700):

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Here you go Felix,  note I am using SSH to access this sick computer, hence that is probably the reason for the display error.

nova:/var/log #zypper lr -d | susepaste Pasted as:   https://susepaste.org/48665208   https://paste.opensuse.org/48665208 Error: Can't open display: (null) Link is also in your clipboard. What happens when you try a normal boot now? Felix - I still get the same error - startkde: Could not start kdeinit5. Check your installation.

If Plasma won't start, try IceWM, or whatever other session type your login manager offers. Um, I am gonna need some help I think. The system was set up to automatically log me in, so I don't get the login manager screen. Without the GUI I don't know how to reset this.

You should do some repo maintenance. You have a bunch of optional repos. Those pointing to 15.2 should be removed or switched to 15.3. Those you aren't sure you need, disable or remove. I disabled the Bacula 15.2 repo which does not have a 15.3 version available, and a few other not so important repos that I will need eventually.

Once that's done, let's see output of the following command:

zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication OK, here you go, kinda long and wraps every line, sorry!

nova:/home/marc #zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication i+ | awesfx                                     | package | 0.5.2-lp153.117.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-client                              | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-common                              | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-console                             | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | clementine                                 | package | 1.3.99.20210609-lp153.151.3                     | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | curl                                       | package | 7.83.1-lp153.324.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | hw-probe                                   | package | 1.5-lp152.6.1                                   | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | libbind9-160                               | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libcurl4                                   | package | 7.83.1-lp153.324.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libdns169                                  | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libdvdcss2                                 | package | 1.4.2-lp153.2.1                                 | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libgnutls30                                | package | 3.7.6-lp153.72.9                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libhogweed6                                | package | 3.7.3-lp153.27.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libirs160                                  | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libisc166                                  | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libisccc160                                | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libisccfg160                               | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | liblwres160                                | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libnettle8                                 | package | 3.7.3-lp153.27.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libopenssl-1_1-devel                       | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libopenssl-devel                           | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.1.1                                | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | libopenssl1_1                              | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libply-boot-client4                        | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4             | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libply-splash-core4                        | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4             | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libply-splash-graphics4                    | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4             | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libply4                                    | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4             | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libprojectM3                               | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libsuil-0-0                                | package | 0.10.10-lp153.33.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libtasn1-6                                 | package | 4.18.0-lp153.18.3                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libtasn1-tools                             | package | 4.18.0-lp153.18.3                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libwireshark13                             | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libwiretap10                               | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libwsutil11                                | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libx264-160                                | package | 0.160+git20200702.cde9a933-pm152.1.2            | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libx265-192                                | package | 3.4-pm152.1.2                                   | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libyui-ncurses11                           | package | 2.54.5-lp152.1.3                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libyui-qt-graph11                          | package | 2.46.3-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libyui-qt11                                | package | 2.52.4-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libyui11                                   | package | 3.9.3-lp152.1.3                                 | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | libzvbi0                                   | package | 0.2.35-lp153.52.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | openssl                                    | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.1.1                                | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | openssl-1_1                                | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | patterns-desktop-multimedia_opt            | package | 20170319-lp152.5.3                              | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | perl-Class-Std-Fast                        | package | 0.0.8-lp153.4.1                                 | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | perl-Number-Bytes-Human                    | package | 0.11-lp153.5.1                                  | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | perl-SOAP-WSDL                             | package | 3.004-lp153.2.1                                 | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | perl-Sys-MemInfo                           | package | 0.99-lp153.5.1                                  | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | perl-Sys-Mmap                              | package | 0.20-lp153.3.1                                  | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | projectM                                   | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | projectM-data                              | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | projectM-devel                             | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | python2-iniconfig                          | package | 1.1.1-lp152.2.3                                 | noarch | (System Packages) i  | python3-zm_database_init                   | package | 3.3.3-lp153.5.1                                 | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | snapd                                      | package | 2.56-lp153.1.1                                  | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | vorbis-tools                               | package | 1.4.2-lp153.273.2                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | vorbis-tools-lang                          | package | 1.4.2-lp153.273.2                               | noarch | (System Packages) i+ | ZoneMinder                                 | package | 1.36.18-lp153.5.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | zoom                                       | package | 5.6.13632.0328_openSUSE-1                       | x86_64 | (System Packages) HTHs.  Marc.. -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [06-19-22 19:03]:

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 14:34 (UTC-0700):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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What happens when you try a normal boot now?

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Felix - I still get the same error - startkde: Could not start kdeinit5. Check your installation.

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If Plasma won't start, try IceWM, or whatever other session type your login manager offers.

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Um, I am gonna need some help I think. The system was set up to automatically log me in, so I don't get the login manager screen. Without the GUI I don't know how to reset this.

I don't remember the official way to disable it when you cannot get into an X session, but if you rename your greeter's config file that should allow all the defaults, and let you start a session. Try /etc/sddm.conf or whatever /etc/sddm.cond.d/ contains, or the equivalents if using GDM or LightDM. YaST ought to be able to do it, but if not, you could try changing to a different DM:

update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager

as root systemctl isolate multi-user <ctrl><alt><f1> log in as <your user name> startx /usr/bin/icewm-session-default -- :1 will open an iceWM session for you. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

On 6/19/22 16:02, Felix Miata wrote:

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 14:34 (UTC-0700):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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What happens when you try a normal boot now? Felix - I still get the same error - startkde: Could not start kdeinit5. Check your installation. If Plasma won't start, try IceWM, or whatever other session type your login manager offers. Hello again Felix, and again thank you for your assistance. And thanks to Patrick's magic I was able to start the IceWM which seems to be working fine. The only hitch was that I use both Knockd and Fail2Ban to control remote access to this system, and both had stopped working also. Internet research lead me to discover that OpenSuSE 15.3 relatively recently switched the Firewalld from using iptables to nftables. Took me awhile to figure out how to get it back to working with iptables instead. Guess this will be another problem to solve later, getting both Knockd and Fail2Ban to work with nftables instead of iptables. Um, I am gonna need some help I think. The system was set up to automatically log me in, so I don't get the login manager screen. Without the GUI I don't know how to reset this. I don't remember the official way to disable it when you cannot get into an X session, but if you rename your greeter's config file that should allow all the defaults, and let you start a session. Try /etc/sddm.conf or whatever /etc/sddm.cond.d/ contains, or the equivalents if using GDM or LightDM. YaST ought to be able to do it, but if not, you could try changing to a different DM:

update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager

I found and changed the setting for automatic login in the KDE Systems Management utility, after getting the IceWM working. However it did not make a difference, unfortunately, I am still getting the kdeinit5 error message. Unfortunately the update-alternatives command does not offer me the choice of using IceWM as my default windows manager. SIGH! And I would prefer using SDDM since I already familiar with it and know how to use it.

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Once that's done, let's see output of the following command: zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication OK, here you go, kinda long and wraps every line, sorry!

In SeaMonkey Mail, which TB was forked from, and now supplies patches that SM Mail uses to continue, I am able to toggle line wrapping on/off in the current composition. Can't you add the Toggle Worg Wrap extension to TB?

I don't recognize anything amongst those oldies that should impact starting up a Plasma session. Let's work first on getting any X session to start, by disabling auto-login.

I added the extension to Thunderbird and hopefully it will come in handy the next time you ask me to produce some output! 😁

I cut your System Packages output down to manageable groups:

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i+ | awesfx | package | 0.5.2-lp153.117.1 i+ | clementine | package | 1.3.99.20210609-lp153.151.3 i+ | curl | package | 7.83.1-lp153.324.1 i+ | libcurl4 | package | 7.83.1-lp153.324.1 i+ | libdvdcss2 | package | 1.4.2-lp153.2.1 i+ | libgnutls30 | package | 3.7.6-lp153.72.9 i+ | libhogweed6 | package | 3.7.3-lp153.27.1 i+ | libnettle8 | package | 3.7.3-lp153.27.1 i+ | libopenssl-1_1-devel | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1 i+ | libopenssl-devel | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.1.1 i+ | libopenssl1_1 | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1 i+ | libprojectM3 | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1 i+ | libsuil-0-0 | package | 0.10.10-lp153.33.1 i+ | libtasn1-6 | package | 4.18.0-lp153.18.3 i+ | libtasn1-tools | package | 4.18.0-lp153.18.3 i+ | libzvbi0 | package | 0.2.35-lp153.52.1 i+ | openssl | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.1.1 i+ | openssl-1_1 | package | 1.1.1o-lp153.123.1 i+ | perl-Class-Std-Fast | package | 0.0.8-lp153.4.1 i+ | perl-Number-Bytes-Human | package | 0.11-lp153.5.1 i+ | perl-SOAP-WSDL | package | 3.004-lp153.2.1 i+ | perl-Sys-MemInfo | package | 0.99-lp153.5.1 i+ | perl-Sys-Mmap | package | 0.20-lp153.3.1 i+ | projectM | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1 i+ | projectM-data | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1 i+ | projectM-devel | package | 3.1.12-lp153.49.1 i | python3-zm_database_init | package | 3.3.3-lp153.5.1 i+ | snapd | package | 2.56-lp153.1.1 i+ | vorbis-tools | package | 1.4.2-lp153.273.2 i+ | vorbis-tools-lang | package | 1.4.2-lp153.273.2 i+ | ZoneMinder | package | 1.36.18-lp153.5.1 i+ | bacula-client | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1 i+ | bacula-common | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1 i+ | bacula-console | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1 i+ | hw-probe | package | 1.5-lp152.6.1 i+ | libbind9-160 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libdns169 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libirs160 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libisc166 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libisccc160 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libisccfg160 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | liblwres160 | package | 9.11.2-lp152.13.6 i+ | libply-boot-client4 | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4 i+ | libply-splash-core4 | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4 i+ | libply-splash-graphics4 | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4 i+ | libply4 | package | 0.9.4+git20190304.ed9f201-lp152.4.4 i+ | libwireshark13 | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1 i+ | libwiretap10 | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1 i+ | libwsutil11 | package | 3.2.8-lp152.2.9.1 i+ | libyui-ncurses11 | package | 2.54.5-lp152.1.3 i+ | libyui-qt-graph11 | package | 2.46.3-lp152.1.1 i+ | libyui-qt11 | package | 2.52.4-lp152.1.1 i+ | libyui11 | package | 3.9.3-lp152.1.3 i+ | patterns-desktop-multimedia_opt| package | 20170319-lp152.5.3 i+ | python2-iniconfig | package | 1.1.1-lp152.2.3 Some of these I would have expected to be upgraded by a zypper dup, but the rest are from your optional repos.

I am not sure if you are asking me to do a zypper dup on this system or not. The last time I just ran zypper up thinking that was probably safer. Still stuck but feeling more hopeful now that I see IceWM is working OK. I wonder if there is some kind of configuration error for SDDM but I haven't messed with it (don't know how) AFAIK.    Marc... -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-20 14:38 (UTC-0700):

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update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager

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Unfortunately the update-alternatives command does not offer me the choice of using IceWM as my default windows manager. # update-alternatives --config default-xsession.desktop Hi Felix, First a big thank you for taking the time to respond and

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i+ | python2-iniconfig | package | 1.1.1-lp152.2.3 Some of these I would have expected to be upgraded by a zypper dup, but the rest are from your optional repos.

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I am not sure if you are asking me to do a zypper dup on this system or not. The last time I just ran zypper up thinking that was probably safer. Still stuck but feeling more hopeful now that I see IceWM is working OK. I wonder if there is some kind of configuration error for SDDM but I haven't messed with it (don't know how) AFAIK.

For a 15.3 installation to be complete, it might be necessary to run zypper dup at least once. My confusion may be from spending time on 15.3 so long ago, and mostly working with 15.4 since before its beta release. I don't remember seeing you report whether this was a fresh installation, or an upgrade. If upgrade, once since its release announcement is required, I think. The idea is to ensure nothing from 15.2 is leftover, and everything you need has been installed without error. My OpenSuSE 15.3 system has been up and running for quite awhile. My

On 6/20/22 23:30, Felix Miata wrote: trying to help me! This email must have taken you quite a bit of time and effort to compose it for me and I really appreciate it! I will intersperse my comments within your email in order to keep them in the proper context. Also I am sorry for the delay in responding myself, life got in the way and I have encountered a new puzzling problem regarding the firewall I think. More on that below. You second version of the magic incantation for update-alternatives does allow me to select IceWM, thank you! I don't grok what the difference is between selecting a default display manager and selecting a default xsession desktop. It feels like having these two variants is an unnecessary complication, not intuitive, and doesn't provide a user friendly method/need for selecting the type of desktop environment wanted. Anywise this is not an issue that needs to be discussed, I will accept it and move on. troubles seem to begin with some updates I notified about that needed to be installed. I went ahead and ran a zypper dup --allow-vendor-change and that resulted in a bunch of packages being reinstalled using the SuSE vendor versions. This did not fix the problem I am having with starting kdeinit5, and it introduced a new but inconstant problem with firewalld. Most of the time, after rebooting this system I can no longer access services such as SSH, X11VNC, AUTOMOUNT/AUTOFS and KNOCKD although I can always access HTTP/HTTPS. I did find and correct one issue that zypper dup caused, it switched firewalld from using iptables to using nftables. I switched it back to iptables because I am using both KNOCKD and FAIL2BAN which only work (afaik) with iptables. But that did not fix the other new issue, my inability to access services on this afflicted system from my laptop (or any other computer) The funny thing is however, after a couple of my reboots I have been able to access all these services from my (remote) laptop all of the sudden and I have no idea why (next reboot and that ability reverted back to not being able to connect to ports that I had opened). When my ability to access these other services wasn't working, I did the CNTL-ALT-F1 trick to get to a shell login prompt (after I got the failed to start KDEINIT5 message) and logged to to the system. Then I checked what ports had a listening daemon connected to them using both - |sudo lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN sudo netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN| nova:/home/marc #lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN systemd       1   root   37u  IPv4  17481      0t0  TCP *:111 (LISTEN) systemd       1   root   39u  IPv6  17485      0t0  TCP *:111 (LISTEN) rpcbind    1034    rpc    4u  IPv4  17481      0t0  TCP *:111 (LISTEN) rpcbind    1034    rpc    6u  IPv6  17485      0t0  TCP *:111 (LISTEN) cupsd      1109   root    7u  IPv6  30165      0t0  TCP [::1]:631 (LISTEN) cupsd      1109   root    8u  IPv4  30166      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:631 (LISTEN) boinc      2182  boinc    5u  IPv4  46517      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:31416 (LISTEN) bacula-fd  2185   root    4u  IPv4  38502      0t0  TCP *:9102 (LISTEN) rpc.mount  2186   root    8u  IPv4  34313      0t0  TCP *:20048 (LISTEN) rpc.mount  2186   root   10u  IPv6  34317      0t0  TCP *:20048 (LISTEN) rpc.statd  2193  statd    8u  IPv4  33638      0t0  TCP *:47261 (LISTEN) rpc.statd  2193  statd   10u  IPv6  33642      0t0  TCP *:54907 (LISTEN) java       2203   root  152u  IPv6  47479      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:53566 (LISTEN) java       2203   root  195u  IPv6  46943      0t0  TCP *:3052 (LISTEN) java       2203   root  200u  IPv6  46945      0t0  TCP *:53568 (LISTEN) sshd       2236   root    3u  IPv4  37397      0t0  TCP 192.168.10.20:622 (LISTEN) sshd       2236   root    4u  IPv4  37400      0t0  TCP 192.168.10.20:22 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  2244   root    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  2244   root    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) mysqld     2319  mysql   17u  IPv4  37702      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:3306 (LISTEN) sendmail   2447   root    4u  IPv4  35375      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:25 (LISTEN) clamd      2638  vscan    5u  IPv4  48618      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:3310 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   45u  IPv4  46506      0t0  TCP 10.10.10.1:445 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   46u  IPv4  46507      0t0  TCP 10.10.10.1:139 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   47u  IPv4  46508      0t0  TCP 192.168.10.20:445 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   48u  IPv4  46509      0t0  TCP 192.168.10.20:139 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   49u  IPv4  46510      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:445 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   50u  IPv4  46511      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:139 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   51u  IPv6  46512      0t0  TCP [::1]:445 (LISTEN) smbd       2993   root   52u  IPv6  46513      0t0  TCP [::1]:139 (LISTEN) x11vnc     3032   root    8u  IPv4  48628      0t0  TCP *:5900 (LISTEN) x11vnc     3032   root    9u  IPv6  48629      0t0  TCP *:5900 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7151 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7151 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7152 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7152 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7153 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7153 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7154 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7154 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7155 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7155 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7495 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre  7495 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) httpd-pre 14670 wwwrun    4u  IPv6  35211      0t0  TCP *:80 (LISTEN) httpd-pre 14670 wwwrun    6u  IPv6  35214      0t0  TCP *:443 (LISTEN) and this did show me that there was a listening process for all the ports that I want open, for example, these would show me that the SSHD was listening on port 22. Next I check FIREWALLD using then command nova:/home/marc #firewall-cmd --list-all --zone=internal internal (active)  target: default  icmp-block-inversion: no  interfaces: eth0  sources:  services: apache2 apache2-ssl bacula-client dhcpv6-client http https kdeconnect kdeconnect-kde mdns nfs nfs3 rpc-bind samba samba-client slp smtp smtp-submi ssion smtps ssh tigervnc vnc-server x11  ports: 5900-5910/tcp 3052/tcp 622/tcp 622/udp  protocols:  forward: no  masquerade: no  forward-ports:  source-ports:  icmp-blocks:  rich rules: to see what ports it had opened. So indeed taking SSHD as and example, port 22 is both open and has a listener. But when I actually try to use SSH and connect to port 22 on this system, from my laptop (also on the same internal 192.168.10.0/24 net) I get an error message telling me there is no route to this host. So I dunno what the problem could be. I have tried making the connection with and without

Anyway, from a working freshly updated 15.3 with AMD graphics, running a Plasma session, I did what follows:

# ps -A | egrep 'dm|start|kde|plasma' 34 ? 00:00:00 kdevtmpfs 400 ? 00:00:00 dmeventd 696 ? 00:00:00 sdma0 697 ? 00:00:00 sdma1 1420 ? 00:00:00 tdm 1985 ? 00:00:00 tdm 2008 ? 00:00:00 startplasma-x11 2087 ? 00:00:00 start_kdeinit 2088 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit5 2104 ? 00:00:00 kded5 2146 ? 00:00:00 plasma_session 2158 ? 00:00:00 polkit-kde-auth 2160 ? 00:00:06 plasmashell 2187 ? 00:00:00 org_kde_powerde # which org_kde_powerdevil which: no org_kde_powerdevil in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin) # which org_kde_powerde which: no org_kde_powerde in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin) # which plasmashell /usr/bin/plasmashell # which polkit-kde-auth which: no polkit-kde-auth in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin) # which plasma-session which: no plasma-session in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin) # which kded5 /usr/bin/kded5 # which kdeinit5 /usr/bin/kdeinit5 # which start_kdeinit which: no start_kdeinit in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin) # which startplasma-x11 /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 # which kcminit_startup /usr/bin/kcminit_startup # ls -Gg /usr/lib64/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil -rwxr-xr-x 1 120008 Apr 23 2021 /usr/lib64/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil # ls -Gg /usr/lib64/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 90208 Aug 26 2021 /usr/lib64/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 # ls -Gg /usr/share/xsessions/plasma5.desktop # just guessing here that it actually matters -rw-r--r-- 1 2529 Aug 27 2021 /usr/share/xsessions/plasma5.desktop # ls -Gg /usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit* -rwxr-xr-x 1 10616 Aug 26 2021 /usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit -rwxr-xr-x 1 6376 Aug 26 2021 /usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit_wrapper # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil powerdevil5-5.18.5-bp153.1.36.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/bin/plasmashell plasma5-workspace-5.18.6-bp153.4.2.3.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 polkit-kde-agent-5-5.18.5-bp153.2.2.1.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/share/xsessions/plasma5.desktop plasma5-session-5.18.6-bp153.4.2.3.noarch # rpm -qf /usr/bin/kded5 kded-5.76.0-bp153.2.2.1.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/bin/kdeinit5 kinit-5.76.0-bp153.2.2.1.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit kinit-5.76.0-bp153.2.2.1.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit_wrapper kinit-5.76.0-bp153.2.2.1.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 plasma5-workspace-5.18.6-bp153.4.2.3.x86_64 # rpm -qf /usr/bin/kcminit_startup plasma5-workspace-5.18.6-bp153.4.2.3.x86_64 # I ran all these commands and got exactly the same results.

One thing that might help is to force reinstallation of the above listed rpms, since it is obvious they are necessary parts of achieving a running Plasma session. It could be that there is some corruption involved somewhere to cause that not found error 127 that prevents startplasma-x11 from running. I did this for all of the above listed packages using the command -   zypper in -f  <package name>  There was no joy in resolving my issues.

Before getting back to package management, try from an IceWM session, or a vtty login, removing the content from ~/.cache. It's a longshot here, but it sometimes cleans up Plasma's act. Do you have an alternate user configured? Does Plasma fail to start for it too? If yes, not likely this has anything to do with user settings. I removed everything in ~/.cache and again no joy.  KDE/Plasma fails to give me a login screen at all so I cannot try using an alternate user.

If force reinstalling the above packages is unhelpful, you could try removing the entirety of KDE/Plasma with zypper or yast, rebooting, then installing it. To do this in zypper, use the --clean-deps option, and choose several obvious basic packages to remove, such as plasma5-workspace-libs, plasma5-workspace, plasma5-session, libKF5Plasma5, plasma5-desktop, plasma-framework, kded, kde-user-manager.

Well I don't know what is "obvious" ;-) but I used the command - zypper remove --clean-deps <package name> to remove each of the packages you suggested, then rebooted, and use the command - zypper install <package name> to reinstall all the packages you suggested. Again rebooted and (sigh) again no joy in getting kdeinit5 to start,  and getting it to show a login screen and/or show the plasma desktop! I was able to connect via SSH so at least that may be working (# of tests is one so inductive proof does not apply)...    Marc...

Plasma on 15.3 can work: # inxi -GSaz --vs System: Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.71-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz root=LABEL=<filter> noresume ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.18.6 tk: Qt v: 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 7 dm: TDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Graphics: Device-1: AMD Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] vendor: ASRock driver: amdgpu v: kernel alternate: radeon arch: GCN 2 process: GF/TSMC 16-28nm built: 2013-17 ports: active: DP-1,DVI-D-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:1313 class-ID: 0300 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x3540 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 541x749mm (21.30x29.49") s-diag: 924mm (36.38") Monitor-1: DVI-D-1 mapped: DVI-D-0 pos: middle model: Dell P2012H serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1600x900 hz: 60 dpi: 92 gamma: 1.2 size: 443x249mm (17.44x9.8") diag: 508mm (20") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1600x900 min: 720x400 Monitor-2: DP-1 mapped: DisplayPort-0 pos: primary,bottom model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter> built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2 size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400 Monitor-3: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 pos: primary,top model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 OpenGL: renderer: AMD KAVERI (DRM 3.39.0 5.3.18-150300.59.71-default LLVM 11.0.1) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes # Pay no attention to the radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 command line options. They're only for the particular (older) AMD generation I have.

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Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-24 20:22 (UTC-0700):

You second version of the magic incantation for update-alternatives does allow me to select IceWM, thank you! I don't grok what the difference is between selecting a default display manager and selecting a default xsession desktop. It feels like having these two variants is an unnecessary complication, not intuitive, and doesn't provide a user friendly method/need for selecting the type of desktop environment wanted. Anywise this is not an issue that needs to be discussed, I will accept it and move on. ... I removed everything in ~/.cache and again no joy.  KDE/Plasma fails to give me a login screen at all so I cannot try using an alternate user.

KDE/Plasma doesn't give anybody a login screen. That's the job of the installed and configured DM. Which DM you get is the result of: update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager You should rarely or never need to use this again, unless for troubleshooting, or you just want to switch from whatever you've been using. It's on the login screen presented by the DM that a user-friendly choice among session types may be selected from a menu after logging out or booting, the same session types you see from using: update-alternatives --config default-xsession.desktop You should rarely or never need to use this again, unless for troubleshooting. Once you've made your first selection of xsession type, the default will no longer be relevant, except to a new user, /or/, if you login on a vtty and use startx to try to open an X session. It is necessary to open an X session as a different/new user to determine whether or not the kdeinit5 issue has anything to do with user settings. That choice should be made via the GUI login greeter, whether it's SDDM, LightDM, GDM, XDM or something else available when running update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager. SDDM is the normal DM used with KDE installations. Did you try switching with update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager to something else (e.g. LightDM) to see if Plasma would start from it? Do you get the same error if you boot with a 3 appended to the linu line at the Grub menu striking the E key, then login and try: WINDOWMANAGER=startplasma-x11 startx If no joy as normal user, what about as root user, or as virgin user? I'm out of other ideas how to troubleshoot this, and those new network/firewall issues will need a new thread to draw people with experience troubleshooting those areas. If it was me at this point, I'd restore from a good backup, or more likely, do a fresh installation, and skip up to 15.4. You might give an upgrade to 15.4 a try rather than a fresh installation. Given the relative lack of interest in this thread by other people, it's probably prudent to try elsewhere, either forums.opensuse.org, or KDE forums. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata

On 26/06/2022 10:21, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

On 6/24/22 22:12, Felix Miata wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-24 20:22 (UTC-0700):

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You second version of the magic incantation for update-alternatives does allow me to select IceWM, thank you! I don't grok what the difference is between selecting a default display manager and selecting a default xsession desktop. It feels like having these two variants is an unnecessary complication, not intuitive, and doesn't provide a user friendly method/need for selecting the type of desktop environment wanted. Anywise this is not an issue that needs to be discussed, I will accept it and move on. ... I removed everything in ~/.cache and again no joy.  KDE/Plasma fails to give me a login screen at all so I cannot try using an alternate user. KDE/Plasma doesn't give anybody a login screen. That's the job of the installed and configured DM. Which DM you get is the result of:

    update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager

You should rarely or never need to use this again, unless for troubleshooting, or you just want to switch from whatever you've been using.

It's on the login screen presented by the DM that a user-friendly choice among session types may be selected from a menu after logging out or booting, the same session types you see from using:

    update-alternatives --config default-xsession.desktop

You should rarely or never need to use this again, unless for troubleshooting.

Once you've made your first selection of xsession type, the default will no longer be relevant, except to a new user, /or/, if you login on a vtty and use startx to try to open an X session. Hi again Felix,  I am using SDDM -

nova:/home/marc #update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager There are 4 choices for the alternative default-displaymanager (providing /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/default-displaymanager).

 Selection    Path                                  Priority   Status ------------------------------------------------------------ * 0            /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm      25        auto mode  1            /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/console   5         manual mode  2            /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/lightdm   15        manual mode  3            /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/sddm      25        manual mode  4            /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/xdm       10        manual mode

Press <enter> to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number:

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It is necessary to open an X session as a different/new user to determine whether or not the kdeinit5 issue has anything to do with user settings. That choice should be made via the GUI login greeter, whether it's SDDM, LightDM, GDM, XDM or something else available when running update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager.

Trouble is, I am not getting far enough to see the GUI login greeter.  As soon as all the start up messages finish, the screen goes black, the cursor arrow is shown, and then the xbox message pops up telling me that kdeinit5 failed to start. I can then do the CTRL-ALT-F1 trick to break out and get to a simple login prompt. I can then log in to a simple text base terminal and use text commands, but there is no GUI except for things like the ncurses version of YaST2.

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SDDM is the normal DM used with KDE installations. Did you try switching with update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager to something else (e.g. LightDM) to see if Plasma would start from it?

Yes, I tried changing the DM to LightDM and others, and got the exact same error, kdeinit5 failed to start.

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Do you get the same error if you boot with a 3 appended to the linu line at the Grub menu striking the E key, then login and try:marc

    WINDOWMANAGER=startplasma-x11 startx

If no joy as normal user, what about as root user, or as virgin user?

No joy with this approach either Felix, but with a slightly different behavior with root and newuser. When I login with either I get a brief flash of the xbox message about kdeinit5 not starting, followed by a blank screen with a spinning circle for awhile, then back to the screen with the xbox message.

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I'm out of other ideas how to troubleshoot this, and those new network/firewall issues will need a new thread to draw people with experience troubleshooting those areas. If it was me at this point, I'd restore from a good backup, or more likely, do a fresh installation, and skip up to 15.4. You might give an upgrade to 15.4 a try rather than a fresh installation.

Yeah I am beginning to think that installing 15.4, in a separate partition might be the better part of valor! That also will mean a lot of work but probably best.

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Given the relative lack of interest in this thread by other people, it's probably prudent to try elsewhere, either forums.opensuse.org, or KDE forums. OK, I hear you and understand...    Marc...

I did have this issue some time back, not sure if 15.1 or 15.2. It's a wile ago and can't really remember how it was resolved. Fairly sure I ended up with ICE working but not KDE. I have Nvidia graphics, so went back to nouveau to take the nvidia drivers out of the equation. I think I ended up removing X11 and all graphical components in the end and reinstalling with YAST but then I also think KDE would only load without plasma. I can't remember how I got from non-plasma to a plasma desktop again, if I changed video drivers or some other thing. Like you I was trying just about everything under the sun and eventually it came right.

On 6/25/22 15:54, Felix Miata wrote:

Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-25 15:21 (UTC-0700):

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It is necessary to open an X session as a different/new user to determine whether or not the kdeinit5 issue has anything to do with user settings. That choice should be made via the GUI login greeter, whether it's SDDM, LightDM, GDM, XDM or something else available when running update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager. Trouble is, I am not getting far enough to see the GUI login greeter. As soon as all the start up messages finish, the screen goes black, the cursor arrow is shown, and then the xbox message pops up telling me that kdeinit5 failed to start. I can then do the CTRL-ALT-F1 trick to break out and get to a simple login prompt. I can then log in to a simple text base terminal and use text commands, but there is no GUI except for things like the ncurses version of YaST2. IIRC, this is behavior from an automatic login session failing to start. IOW, SDDM is being bypassed, so that you cannot choose to login to any other session type.

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SDDM is the normal DM used with KDE installations. Did you try switching with update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager to something else (e.g. LightDM) to see if Plasma would start from it? Yes, I tried changing the DM to LightDM and others, and got the exact same error, kdeinit5 failed to start. Until whatever triggers automatic login gets disabled, or whatever is wrong to prevent kdeinit5 from loading, you're going to be stuck with it. Renaming /etc/sddm.conf and/or any files in /etc/sddm.conf.d/ to not end in .conf might be all that's needed. Without them the upstream defaults should give you a GUI login greeter.

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Do you get the same error if you boot with a 3 appended to the linu line at the Grub menu striking the E key, then login and try:marc WINDOWMANAGER=startplasma-x11 startx If no joy as normal user, what about as root user, or as virgin user? No joy with this approach either Felix, but with a slightly different behavior with root and newuser. When I login with either I get a brief flash of the xbox message about kdeinit5 not starting, followed by a blank screen with a spinning circle for awhile, then back to the screen with the xbox message. Try instead:

WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/icewm startx

Once in an IceWM session you should be able to disable automatic login either using YaST, or possibly systemsettings5 (if it doesn't require kdeinit5 to run).

On boot to login prompt, you should be able to use text mode YaST to disable automatic login. Hi Felix, Found it, the ability to enable/disable automatic logins is buried in YaST2 under Security and Users > User and Group Management > Expert Options > Login Settings.  Rather difficult to remember that, since I don't use it very often. Anywise I turned off Auto Login and Passwordless Logins and am now seeing the login prompt screen after a reboot. When I enter my credentials the screen goes blank and after a few seconds the Xbox with them message about the kdeinit5 failure, is shown.

Please show output from:

ls -Gg /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ cat /etc/X11/*.conf cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50*conf OK HTHs...

nova:/home/marc #ls -Gg /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ total 56 -rw-r--r-- 1  311 Aug 17  2020 00-keyboard.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 1099 May  4  2019 10-evdev.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  489 Apr 11 02:09 10-libvnc.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 1350 Mar 21 03:14 10-quirks.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  484 May  4  2019 11-evdev.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  975 May  4  2019 40-libinput.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  529 Jul  1  2011 50-device.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  199 May  4  2019 50-elotouch.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  264 Mar 21 03:14 50-extensions.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  527 Jul  1  2011 50-monitor.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  491 Jul  1  2011 50-screen.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 1913 Aug 27  2021 70-synaptics.conf -rw-r--r-- 1  115 Mar  5  2021 70-vmmouse.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 2747 Jan 28  2019 70-wacom.conf nova:/home/marc #cat /etc/X11/*.conf cat: '/etc/X11/*.conf': No such file or directory nova:/home/marc #cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50*conf # Having multiple "Device" sections is known to be problematic. Make # sure you don't have in use another one laying around e.g. in another # xorg.conf.d file or even a generic xorg.conf file. More details can # be found in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32430. # #Section "Device" #  Identifier "Default Device" # #  #Driver "radeon" # #  ## Required magic for radeon/radeonhd drivers; output name #  ## (here: "DVI-0") can be figured out via 'xrandr -q' #  #Option "monitor-DVI-0" "Default Monitor" # #EndSection Section "InputClass"        MatchProduct "Elo TouchSystems CarrollTouch 4500U|Elo TouchSystems CarrollTouch 4000U"        Identifier "Elotouch"        Driver "evdev"        Option "Mode" "Absolute" EndSection # Add extensions to be disabled. This may be needed as some # extra modules may add extensions which cause the maximum # number of extensions possible to be exceeded. # # SUSE Default: disable DGA. Section "Extensions"  Option "XFree86-DGA" "Disable" EndSection# Having multiple "Monitor" sections is known to be problematic. Make # sure you don't have in use another one laying around e.g. in another # xorg.conf.d file or even a generic xorg.conf file. More details can # be found in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32430. # #Section "Monitor" #  Identifier "Default Monitor" # #  ## If your monitor doesn't support DDC you may override the #  ## defaults here #  #HorizSync 28-85 #  #VertRefresh 50-100 # #  ## Add your mode lines here, use e.g the cvt tool # #EndSection # Having multiple "Screen" sections is known to be problematic. Make # sure you don't have in use another one laying around e.g. in another # xorg.conf.d file or even a generic xorg.conf file. More details can # be found in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32430. # #Section "Screen" #  Identifier "Default Screen" # #  Device "Default Device" # #  ## Doesn't help for radeon/radeonhd drivers; use magic in #  ## 50-device.conf instead #  Monitor "Default Monitor" # #EndSection -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

After all the changes and switching around of packages on my system, to make it more consistent with SuSE15.3, it is interesting that I am now seeing some error messages that weren't in the system logs when I first asked my question about why kdeinit5 was failing. I don't grok these error messages but will post them here. 2022-06-26T17:43:46.428657-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2688]: Cannot setup inotify for '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/dbus-1/services'; error 'Permission denied' 2022-06-26T17:43:46.429073-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2688]: [session uid=465 pid=2688] Activating via systemd: service name='org.a11y.Bus' unit='at-spi-dbus- bus.service' requested by ':1.1' (uid=465 pid=2675 comm="/usr/sbin/lightdm-gtk-greeter ") 2022-06-26T17:43:46.434081-07:00 nova systemd[2656]: Starting Accessibility services bus... 2022-06-26T17:43:46.503940-07:00 nova at-spi-bus-laun[2690]: Unable to open /var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/dconf/profile/user: Permission denied 2022-06-26T17:43:46.505275-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2688]: [session uid=465 pid=2688] Successfully activated service 'org.a11y.Bus' 2022-06-26T17:43:46.505344-07:00 nova systemd[2656]: Started Accessibility services bus. 2022-06-26T17:43:46.579316-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2688]: [session uid=465 pid=2688] Activating via systemd: service name='org.gtk.vfs.Daemon' unit='gvfs-d aemon.service' requested by ':1.3' (uid=465 pid=2675 comm="/usr/sbin/lightdm-gtk-greeter ") For the Permission denied messages, the problem is caused by the following missing directory - /var/lib/flatpak/exports/ I have no idea if this is serious and what to do about it, but it does seem relevant. There are a lot of variations on this theme - 2022-06-26T17:44:14.650219-07:00 nova systemd[2774]: Started D-Bus User Message Bus. 2022-06-26T17:44:14.665395-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2793]: Cannot setup inotify for '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/dbus-1/services'; error 'Permission deni ed' 2022-06-26T17:44:16.663255-07:00 nova ksplashqml[2841]: QCoreApplication::arguments: Please instantiate the QApplication object first 2022-06-26T17:44:16.687200-07:00 nova startplasma-x11[2782]: "/usr/lib64/libexec/kf5/start_kdeinit_wrapper" ("--kded", "+kcminit_startup") exited with cod e 127 2022-06-26T17:44:17.063971-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2793]: [session uid=1000 pid=2793] Activating via systemd: service name='org.gtk.vfs.Daemon' unit='gvfs- daemon.service' requested by ':1.4' (uid=1000 pid=2851 comm="ibus-daemon --xim -d ") 2 2022-06-26T17:44:17.617632-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2793]: [session uid=1000 pid=2793] Activating via systemd: service name='org.a11y.Bus' unit='at-spi-dbus -bus.service' requested by ':1.12' (uid=1000 pid=2879 comm="/usr/lib64/ibus/ibus-x11 --kill-daemon ") 2022-06-26T17:44:17.618935-07:00 nova systemd[2774]: Starting Accessibility services bus... 2022-06-26T17:44:17.622225-07:00 nova at-spi-bus-laun[2893]: Unable to open /var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/dconf/profile/user: Permission denied 2022-06-26T17:44:17.623407-07:00 nova dbus-daemon[2793]: [session uid=1000 pid=2793] Successfully activated service 'org.a11y.Bus' 2022-06-26T17:44:17.623491-07:00 nova systemd[2774]: Started Accessibility services bus. HTHs   Marc... -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_   _   .   .   .       .   .   .   _ _       .   _   _   _   _   .       .   .   .           _   .   .       .           .   _   _       .   _       _ _   .   .   .       .   _   _   .       _   .   .   _   .   _   _           _   _       .   _       .   _   .     _   .   _   . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)

On 19/06/2022 23.34, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

On 6/19/22 12:57, Felix Miata wrote:

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You should do some repo maintenance. You have a bunch of optional repos. Those pointing to 15.2 should be removed or switched to 15.3. Those you aren't sure you need, disable or remove. I disabled the Bacula 15.2 repo which does not have a 15.3 version available, and a few other not so important repos that I will need eventually.

Once that's done, let's see output of the following command:

    zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication OK, here you go, kinda long and wraps every line, sorry!

nova:/home/marc #zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication i+ | awesfx                                     | package | 0.5.2-lp153.117.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-client                              | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages)

You have many 15.2 packages. You have to list them all and upgrade them all to 15.3. This command will list them all: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \ %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \ %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" \ | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist \ | egrep -v "openSUSE Leap 15\.3|openSUSE_Leap_15.3|\-lp153|SUSE Linux Enterprise 15" | less -S Also, check your home partition is not full. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 (Legolas))

On 6/24/22 23:07, Steve Edmonds wrote:

On 25/06/2022 17:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 19/06/2022 23.34, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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On 6/19/22 12:57, Felix Miata wrote:

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You should do some repo maintenance. You have a bunch of optional repos. Those pointing to 15.2 should be removed or switched to 15.3. Those you aren't sure you need, disable or remove. I disabled the Bacula 15.2 repo which does not have a 15.3 version available, and a few other not so important repos that I will need eventually.

Once that's done, let's see output of the following command:

    zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication OK, here you go, kinda long and wraps every line, sorry!

nova:/home/marc #zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication i+ | awesfx                                     | package | 0.5.2-lp153.117.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-client                              | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages)

You have many 15.2 packages. You have to list them all and upgrade them all to 15.3.

This command will list them all:

rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \    %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \    %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" \   | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist \   | egrep -v "openSUSE Leap 15\.3|openSUSE_Leap_15.3|\-lp153|SUSE Linux Enterprise 15" | less -S

Also, check your home partition is not full.

Do the system logs show anything when your ssh login fails.

Hi Steve, and thanks for your thoughts/reply.  I am going to change the name of this thread since my Firewall issues are separate from the kdeinit5 issues (I think...) I don't see any messages in the log files that get generated when I attempt to SSH into my system and it fails.  I am still looking around but no joy. .

Does running without the firewall make any difference. Yes, stopping the firewalld service does allow me to then connect to services such as SSH and VNC. That indicates this is a firewall issue.

A couple of checks I made, while the firewalld service is running, are interesting in that they seem to show nothing is wrong -

firewall-cmd --list-all --zone=internal internal (active)  target: default  icmp-block-inversion: no  interfaces: eth0  sources:  services: apache2 apache2-ssl bacula-client dhcpv6-client http https kdeconnect mdns nfs nfs3 rpc-bind samba samba-client slp smtp smtp-submission smtps ssh tigervnc vnc-server x11  ports: 5900-5910/tcp 3052/tcp  protocols:  forward: no  masquerade: no  forward-ports:  source-ports:  icmp-blocks:  rich rules:

netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5900            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      3028/x11vnc tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:3310          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2582/clamd tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:9102            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2185/bacula-fd tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:111             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1/systemd tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:20048           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2218/rpc.mountd tcp        0      0 192.168.10.20:22        0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2256/sshd: /usr/sbi tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:631           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1103/cupsd tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:31416         0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2170/boinc tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2260/sendmail: acce tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:445           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 192.168.10.20:445       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 10.10.10.1:445          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:37729           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      - tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:2049            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      - tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:3306          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2323/mysqld tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:139           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 192.168.10.20:139       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 10.10.10.1:139          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:35275           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2239/rpc.statd tcp6       0      0 :::5900                 :::*                    LISTEN      3028/x11vnc tcp6       0      0 :::3052                 :::*                    LISTEN      2228/java tcp6       0      0 :::111                  :::*                    LISTEN      1/systemd tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      2230/httpd-prefork tcp6       0      0 :::20048                :::*                    LISTEN      2218/rpc.mountd tcp6       0      0 ::1:631                 :::*                    LISTEN      1103/cupsd tcp6       0      0 :::443                  :::*                    LISTEN      2230/httpd-prefork tcp6       0      0 ::1:445                 :::*                    LISTEN      2812/smbd tcp6       0      0 127.0.0.1:53566         :::*                    LISTEN      2228/java tcp6       0      0 :::53568                :::*                    LISTEN      2228/java tcp6       0      0 :::2049                 :::*                    LISTEN      - tcp6       0      0 :::38211                :::*                    LISTEN      - tcp6       0      0 :::49195                :::*                    LISTEN      2239/rpc.statd tcp6       0      0 ::1:139                 :::*                    LISTEN      2812/smbd

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On 2022-06-25 23:36, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

On 6/24/22 22:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 19/06/2022 23.34, Marc Chamberlin wrote:

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On 6/19/22 12:57, Felix Miata wrote:

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Marc Chamberlin composed on 2022-06-19 12:38 (UTC-0700):

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nova:/home/marc #zypper se -si | grep 'tem Pac' | grep -v plication i+ | awesfx                                     | package | 0.5.2-lp153.117.1                               | x86_64 | (System Packages) i+ | bacula-client                              | package | 11.0.6-lp152.1.1                                | x86_64 | (System Packages)

You have many 15.2 packages. You have to list them all and upgrade them all to 15.3.

This command will list them all:

rpm -q -a --queryformat "%{INSTALLTIME}\t%{INSTALLTIME:day} \    %{BUILDTIME:day} %-30{NAME}\t%15{VERSION}-%-7{RELEASE}\t%{arch} \    %25{VENDOR}%25{PACKAGER} == %{DISTRIBUTION} %{DISTTAG}\n" \   | sort | cut --fields="2-" | tee rpmlist \   | egrep -v "openSUSE Leap 15\.3|openSUSE_Leap_15.3|\-lp153|SUSE Linux Enterprise 15" | less -S

Thanks Carlos, that is quite the incantation for figuring out what packages from previous versions are hanging around! Much appreciate your taking the time to put that together for me.

LOL, no! I concocted that one long ago and wrote it out in my "howto" text file of recipes ;-D

I used it to remove all the packages left from OpenSuSE15.2 and the following shows what is the output now from your magic. I dunno what to do about gpg-pubkey,

Those are safe.

YaST2 only shows it as being provided from openSUSE-release - openSUSE Leap 15.3and I don't think I want to remove that package. There are a couple other packages shown which I acquired from outside repositories and I do want to keep those.

Try to find their current versions for 15.3 ...

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Also, check your home partition is not full.

No, my home partition is not full -

Well, it was a shot. ..

And finally, still no joy getting my system to boot up, start SDDM, and launch my plasma/KDE desktop properly. Still won't start kdeinit5....

Sigh. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from Elesar, using openSUSE Leap 15.3)