[opensuse-kde] 13.1RC1 - gstreamer-0_10 still required?
Knowing gstreamer 1 is current, during 13.1RC1 minimal X installation I tabooed gstreamer-0_10. Now I want to install minimalist KDM/KDE, including phonon-backend-vlc, konq, konsole, ksnapshot, kcalc, kmix, but runtime requires libQtWebKit. Because of uninstallable libQtWebKit, zypper wants to either skip installing most everything useful about KDE, or allow gstreamer-0_10. 1-Why is libQtWebKit even relevant? It isn't taboo'd. I only use KHTML in Konq (WebKit doesn't support absolute font sizes). 2-Why is antique gstreamer required (what actually needs it)? y2logs: http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=563172 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 of October 2013 19:23:04 Felix Miata wrote:
.... Because of uninstallable libQtWebKit, zypper wants to either skip installing most everything useful about KDE, or allow gstreamer-0_10. This is due the fact that at least parts of kdelibs link to, and use, QtWebkit. QtWebkit in turn uses gst to provide HTML video/audio.
1-Why is libQtWebKit even relevant? It isn't taboo'd. I only use KHTML in Konq (WebKit doesn't support absolute font sizes). QtWebkit is not the same as kwebkitpart
2-Why is antique gstreamer required (what actually needs it)?
Initial plans where to support QtWebkit with gst1, and it was used for some time in 13.1 dev cycle, but since phonon-gstreamer was never properly ported to gst1, even though some upstream effort, we reverted that to 0_10. Note the linking QtWebkit against gst1 and phonon-gstreamer 0_10, renderes this phonon backend useless[1] , and we still wanted to provide both working backends for 13.1 -------- [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=800963
On 2013-10-12 04:02 (GMT+0200) šumski composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
.... Because of uninstallable libQtWebKit, zypper wants to either skip installing most everything useful about KDE, or allow gstreamer-0_10.
This is due the fact that at least parts of kdelibs link to, and use, QtWebkit. QtWebkit in turn uses gst to provide HTML video/audio.
Both v4 and v5 of QtWebKit need the antique? Only for HTML5 AV output?
1-Why is libQtWebKit even relevant? It isn't taboo'd. I only use KHTML in Konq (WebKit doesn't support absolute font sizes).
QtWebkit is not the same as kwebkitpart
2-Why is antique gstreamer required (what actually needs it)?
Initial plans where to support QtWebkit with gst1, and it was used for some time in 13.1 dev cycle, but since phonon-gstreamer was never properly ported to gst1, even though some upstream effort, we reverted that to 0_10. Note the
Is this "never properly ported" an upstream issue, with Fedora 20 and/or (K)ubuntu 13.10 likely or known to be released around the same time as or modestly before 13.1 with a similar dependency on the antique?
linking QtWebkit against gst1 and phonon-gstreamer 0_10, renderes this phonon backend useless[1] , and we still wanted to provide both working backends for 13.1
Lots of talk of canberra and gtk there. This is KDE as pure as I can manage. Would adding pulseaudio help anything? If I proceed by "breaking" libQtWebKit# by denying the ancient gstreamer, but have phonon-backend-vlc and all (50 of) its deps installed, and all of alsa, would all of (solution 1: do not install) kcalc kdebase4-openSUSE kdebase4-runtime kdebase4-sessionkdebase4-workspace kde-gtk-config kdm konqueror konsole ksnapshot truly be broken, or just broken according to the package management system's reporting of dependencies? Should I try just to see what works or not? It's just a test system anyway. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 of October 2013 23:42:55 Felix Miata wrote:
Both v4 and v5 of QtWebKit need the antique? Only for HTML5 AV output? No, both can use gst0_10 and gst1, but since phonon-gst would be broken with gst1, and phonon-gst1 does not work, we've gone with 0_10 for now.
Is this "never properly ported" an upstream issue, with Fedora 20 and/or (K)ubuntu 13.10 likely or known to be released around the same time as or modestly before 13.1 with a similar dependency on the antique? I am not sure do you mean about some specific issue? If not, then yes, all distro's are in same situation wrt. gst1 vs. gst0_10.
Lots of talk of canberra and gtk there. This is KDE as pure as I can manage. Would adding pulseaudio help anything? Nope. Issue here is that both gstreamer's cannot be loaded at the same time in a single app.
If I proceed by "breaking" libQtWebKit# by denying the ancient gstreamer, but have phonon-backend-vlc and all (50 of) its deps installed, and all of alsa, would all of (solution 1: do not install) .... truly be broken, or just broken according to the package management system's reporting of dependencies? Should I try just to see what works or not? It's just a test system anyway. Execute zypper se -s --requires libQtWebKit.so.4 to see which packages are linking against, and require, QtWebkit
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