Re: [opensuse-kde] Hopes for 12.2
Sven, I have repeatedly mentioned the following issues, which are quite a problem for users in my opinion. My final comment in the first bug is particularly relevant to the issue at hand. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356553 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659153 and its accompanying bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720746 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729892 We in the community file detailed reports, but getting issues fixed is like pulling teeth. And even when a fix is supplied by the community the bug just gets closed as WONTFIX. Malvern.
Frankly, 12.1 KDE has been so painful in many regards that i have rolled back my machines to 11.4 Gnome. I'm hoping that the KDE team will look on the many problems, and rather than push new technologies will instead press to fix the issues plaguing 12.1. Though 11.4 was rough out of the gates, it could be easily worked around and was almost entirely fixed and stabilized less than two months after its release. Frankly, with the minor decrease in quality and consistency of 11.4 and then the more serious issue around 12.1 I fear for the fate of openSUSE. I hope we can engage a meaningful dialog to address these issues and aim for a better product.
Sorry to say, but your email is useless.
You do not mention any concrete issues. You do not mention which KDE versions you tried, the STABLE repo does for example already contain quite a lot of plasma crash fixes.
Don't get me wrong, I do not doubt that there are issues – but such a general email is useless to tackle them. And since a lot of people write the opposite of your experiences with KDE 4.7 (except pim) there is really nothing anybody could take from your email in order to improve anything.
Let's make the world a better place, is as precise and helpful as your email.
Sven
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Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 20:21:07 schrieb Malvern Star:
I have repeatedly mentioned the following issues, which are quite a problem for users in my opinion. My final comment in the first bug is particularly relevant to the issue at hand.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 I don't know who Tony is, yet I think he is not part of the KDE-team, so I'm not sure why he closed that bug. And the changed xml-file could be included in KDF and KRxy already.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356553 opensuse-specific indeed.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659153 and its accompanying bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412 not a KDE issue
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720746 upstream, there is no kmix dev at opensuse.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729892 not sure, could be partly zypper related. Yet it is possible to install patches that require the user to accept an EULA if one repeats the process.
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Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 20:21:07 schrieb Malvern Star:
I have repeatedly mentioned the following issues, which are quite a problem for users in my opinion. My final comment in the first bug is particularly relevant to the issue at hand.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 I don't know who Tony is, yet I think he is not part of the KDE-team, so I'm not sure why he closed that bug. And the changed xml-file could be included in KDF and KRxy already.
He did not close it. Marcus closed it.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356553 opensuse-specific indeed.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659153 and its accompanying bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412 not a KDE issue
It only occurs in KDE and is openSuSE specific.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720746 upstream, there is no kmix dev at opensuse.
Yet the problem only occurs in openSuSE.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729892 not sure, could be partly zypper related. Yet it is possible to install patches that require the user to accept an EULA if one repeats the process.
Really? That's news to me... Not to mention that that's not really a very good work-around. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 22:02:53 schrieb Malvern Star:
I don't know who Tony is, yet I think he is not part of the KDE-team, so I'm not sure why he closed that bug. And the changed xml-file could be included in KDF and KRxy already.
He did not close it. Marcus closed it.
Marcus is neither part of the KDE team AFAIK.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659153 and its accompanying bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412
not a KDE issue
It only occurs in KDE and is openSuSE specific.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412#c38 mentions systemd and you claimed those two bugs relate. Which other distro did you try? Which KDE version did it have?
upstream, there is no kmix dev at opensuse.
Yet the problem only occurs in openSuSE.
Which distro did you try? Which KDE version did it have?
not sure, could be partly zypper related. Yet it is possible to install patches that require the user to accept an EULA if one repeats the process.
Really? That's news to me... Not to mention that that's not really a very good work-around.
You were told so when you made that claim a long time ago. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia sobota, 7 stycznia 2012 o 12:49:58 Sven Burmeister napisał(a):
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729892 not sure, could be partly zypper related. Yet it is possible to install patches that require the user to accept an EULA if one repeats the process.
Interestingly enough, after a recent update, it is now broken in 11.4 too. No EULA dialogue, the process aborts and reverts, repetition does not help. I cannot file a bug because I would have to revert Flash to an eariler version to reproduce it. Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2012-01-07 at 20:23 +0900, Malvern Star wrote:
Sven,
I have repeatedly mentioned the following issues, which are quite a problem for users in my opinion. My final comment in the first bug is particularly relevant to the issue at hand.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356553 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659153 and its accompanying bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725412 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720746 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729892
We in the community file detailed reports, but getting issues fixed is like pulling teeth. And even when a fix is supplied by the community the bug just gets closed as WONTFIX.
Such has not been my own experience. But if such a thing is happening, then that is very disturbing. I don't think any bug should be tagged WONTFIX. "Can't Fix" would be more appropriate more likely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2012, 08:03:05 schrieb Roger Luedecke:
Such has not been my own experience. But if such a thing is happening, then that is very disturbing. I don't think any bug should be tagged WONTFIX. "Can't Fix" would be more appropriate more likely.
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag 07 Januar 2012, 17:36:45 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2012-01-09 at 22:35 +0100, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Am Samstag 07 Januar 2012, 17:36:45 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it. I actually like the new login screen. I think it looks cleaner and more modern. Though I can somewhat understand the opposition, since it has essentially removed some working functionality.
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On 09.01.2012 22:35, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Am Samstag 07 Januar 2012, 17:36:45 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it.
The rule is not that hard actually. The bug sees enough interest to justify at least asking the maintenance team - but Marcus is not interested in changing the design, so someone else needs to make the actual work in packaging the updated branding Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 10:00 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 09.01.2012 22:35, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Am Samstag 07 Januar 2012, 17:36:45 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it.
The rule is not that hard actually. The bug sees enough interest to justify at least asking the maintenance team - but Marcus is not interested in changing the design, so someone else needs to make the actual work in packaging the updated branding
Greetings, Stephan
I think that change should be left to 12.2. Heaven knows what problem could be introduced. Or maybe we could just port the 11.4 login screen and make it available in repos. In regards to 12.2, can we merge the ideas? Achieve the slick "new paradigm" look, but renew the user list functionality? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
I think that change should be left to 12.2. Heaven knows what problem could be introduced. Or maybe we could just port the 11.4 login screen and make it available in repos.
This is what was done with the file Hendrik and I modified. It is a simple change to a single XML file. It could easily be shipped without breaking anything.
In regards to 12.2, can we merge the ideas? Achieve the slick "new paradigm" look, but renew the user list functionality?
I have no problem with that idea, but it would *have* to be ready to launch with 12.2. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it.
The rule is not that hard actually. The bug sees enough interest to justify at least asking the maintenance team - but Marcus is not interested in changing the design, so someone else needs to make the actual work in packaging the updated branding
So what is involved in doing that? I don't mind working with Hendrik to get it packaged somehow. Malvern. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 10.01.2012 11:11, Malvern Star wrote:
I guess he is refering to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727821 which was fixed for 12.2. Not sure why the fix will not be shipped for 12.1 but I'm not even sure the person who decided belongs to the KDE-team.
That's not a bug but a feature. As far as I'm aware, feature changes are only allowed in rare occasions. Defaulting to a theme which does not have the feature of displaying user lists is IMO unfortunate but probably nothing so major, anyone would break the rule for it.
The rule is not that hard actually. The bug sees enough interest to justify at least asking the maintenance team - but Marcus is not interested in changing the design, so someone else needs to make the actual work in packaging the updated branding
So what is involved in doing that? I don't mind working with Hendrik to get it packaged somehow.
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Maintenance should describe it all. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Dnia wtorek, 10 stycznia 2012 o 10:00:28 Stephan Kulow napisał(a):
The rule is not that hard actually. The bug sees enough interest to justify at least asking the maintenance team - but Marcus is not interested in changing the design, so someone else needs to make the actual work in packaging the updated branding
Would you care to illuminate me why it was even considered to kill the user list? My users do not even know what their user name is, as they use their avatar to identify themselves, and everything else is handled by KDE special folders and $HOME and ~ and whatever. Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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Sven Burmeister