Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

Randall R Schulz

1 Dec 2004 1 Dec '04

16:49

Hi, Yesterday I applied the latest round of supplementary KDE updates available for SuSE Pro. 9.1. Since that update, the appearance of Gnome applications run under KDE has changed--and not generally for the better, in my opinion: Buttons, borders, pseudo-3D effects, etc. all appear cruder now than they did before. Assuming this change and the general appearance of Gnome applications under KDE is configurable, how do I exercise that control? I went through the entire KDE Control Center and couldn't find anything. Must I log in to a Gnome session to set this up? I'm not a Gnome user and know very little about it, though, of course, I use several Gnome applications under KDE. Thanks in advance. Randall Schulz

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BandiPat

1 Dec 1 Dec

19:43

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:49 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Yesterday I applied the latest round of supplementary KDE updates available for SuSE Pro. 9.1. Since that update, the appearance of Gnome applications run under KDE has changed--and not generally for the better, in my opinion: Buttons, borders, pseudo-3D effects, etc. all appear cruder now than they did before.

Assuming this change and the general appearance of Gnome applications under KDE is configurable, how do I exercise that control? I went through the entire KDE Control Center and couldn't find anything. Must I log in to a Gnome session to set this up? I'm not a Gnome user and know very little about it, though, of course, I use several Gnome applications under KDE.

Thanks in advance.

Randall Schulz =============

Randall, Control Center>Appearance&Themes>Colors If you haven't already, untick the "Apply colors to all non-KDE applications" will be a start. To get to the Gnome control center in KDE, open a shell and run: gnome-control-center (from the menu, mine is located under Menu>Utilities>Desktop>GNOME Control Center) There you should be able to adjust many things associated with Gnome and make the changes you seek. regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.1 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"

Randall R Schulz

19:57

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

Lee, On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:43, BandiPat wrote:

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On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:49 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Yesterday I applied the latest round of supplementary KDE updates available for SuSE Pro. 9.1. Since that update, the appearance of Gnome applications run under KDE has changed ...

Assuming this change and the general appearance of Gnome applications under KDE is configurable, how do I exercise that control? ...

Thanks in advance.

Randall Schulz

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Randall, Control Center>Appearance&Themes>Colors If you haven't already, untick the "Apply colors to all non-KDE applications" will be a start.

Yes. I noticed that and it has been enabled all along. The issues I have with the Gnome appearance is not about colors, per se, but about other stylistic issues (flat buttons, e.g., in comparison to the previous appearance which displayed shaded "curvy" buttons).

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To get to the Gnome control center in KDE, open a shell and run: gnome-control-center

"Open" a shell? Doesn't everybody keep at least one shell running at all times? Anyway: % gnome-control-center Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! (nautilus:31938): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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(from the menu, mine is located under Menu>Utilities>Desktop>GNOME Control Center)

The launch feedback just times out without the control center ever appearing. No doubt it's the same problem as shown above when run from a shell. So... What's up with that error?

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There you should be able to adjust many things associated with Gnome and make the changes you seek.

For the moment, I'll just have to take your word for it...

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regards, Lee

Randall Schulz

Patrick Shanahan

20:01

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

* Randall R Schulz [12-01-04 14:58]:

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On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:43, BandiPat wrote:

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To get to the Gnome control center in KDE, open a shell and run: gnome-control-center

"Open" a shell? Doesn't everybody keep at least one shell running at all times?

Anyway:

% gnome-control-center Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!

(nautilus:31938): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

Randall, you know better. Appears that 'gnome-control-center' wants root permissions. Try: ssh root@wahoo -X 2>/dev/null in a shell, then try opening 'gnome-control-center' -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Randall R Schulz

20:49

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

Patrick, On Wednesday 01 December 2004 12:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Randall R Schulz [12-01-04 14:58]:

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On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:43, BandiPat wrote:

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To get to the Gnome control center in KDE, open a shell and run: gnome-control-center

"Open" a shell? Doesn't everybody keep at least one shell running at all times?

Anyway:

% gnome-control-center Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!

(nautilus:31938): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

Randall, you know better.

Do I? There's nothing in that message that suggests root privilege is required, is there?

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Appears that 'gnome-control-center' wants root permissions. Try: ssh root@wahoo -X 2>/dev/null in a shell, then try opening 'gnome-control-center'

I tried this: % sux -c /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-control-center but the control center I got was largely blank. Furthermore, it occurred to me that I'd probably be editing root's Gnome preferences. Next, I used xhost to add local permissions: % xhost +local: ... and now running gnome-control-center from the shell prompt works OK and I'm seeing what looks like a normal and completely populated set of preference categories or modules. Now, here's where it gets odd. I poked around various preference categories displayed in the Gnome control center. When I activated the "Theme" category / module, suddenly all the ugly went away. The fonts resized and crude control appearances reset to the nicer ones I'm accustomed to. Lucky me, I guess.

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-- Patrick Shanahan

Thanks for the help, Lee and Patrick. Randall Schulz

Carl Hartung

22:00

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

<snip> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 15:49, Randall R Schulz wrote: <snip> Hi Patrick, Hi Randall, After reading your exchange, I was reminded to open Gnome Control Center to 'spruce up' Evolution & Mozilla under KDE. I selected it from Utilities->Desktop, it opened fully populated and functional, I set my desired theme and then Quit -- no difficulties at all. I'm still on 9.0 Pro if that means anything. regards, - Carl PS/OT: Is it me, or are a lot of the posters on our SuSE lists a bit 'testy' today?

Randall R Schulz

22:37

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE -- Redux

Hi, On Wednesday 01 December 2004 12:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Next, I used xhost to add local permissions:

% xhost +local:

... and now running gnome-control-center from the shell prompt works OK and I'm seeing what looks like a normal and completely populated set of preference categories or modules.

Now, here's where it gets odd. I poked around various preference categories displayed in the Gnome control center. When I activated the "Theme" category / module, suddenly all the ugly went away. The fonts resized and crude control appearances reset to the nicer ones I'm accustomed to.

Lucky me, I guess.

Well, all was not quite as rosy as I'd thought. There were two lurking problems: 1) KDE applications opened subsequent to the change I made via Gnome Control Center all exhibited reduced font sizes. 2) Upon logging out and back in, everything was reset to its state before I applied the theme change in Gnome Control Center. So... How do I make changes that apply only to the Gnome applications when they're running under KDE? And how do I make those changes persistent across logins? Randall Schulz

James Ots

23:32

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE -- Redux

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 22:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Well, all was not quite as rosy as I'd thought. There were two lurking problems:

1) KDE applications opened subsequent to the change I made via Gnome Control Center all exhibited reduced font sizes.

2) Upon logging out and back in, everything was reset to its state before I applied the theme change in Gnome Control Center.

So... How do I make changes that apply only to the Gnome applications when they're running under KDE? And how do I make those changes persistent across logins?

You can try 1) in /opt/gnome/share/themes create a link called Default pointing at the theme you want to use 2) create a file in your home called .gtkrc containing these lines, or similar: style "default" { font_name = "bitstream vera sans 9" } widget_class "*" style "default" 3) create a file in home called .gtkrc-2.0 with these lines or similar: include "/opt/gnome/share/themes/Xfce-b5/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" style "user-font" { font_name="Sans Serif 9" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" gtk-font-name="Sans Serif 9" At least, that's what I've done in Suse 9.2 and it works, but I don't know how much of it is necessary or even correct. -- Cheers James Ots www.jamesots.com

Trey Sizemore

3 Dec 3 Dec

02:20

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE -- Redux

On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 14:37 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 12:49, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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...

Next, I used xhost to add local permissions:

% xhost +local:

... and now running gnome-control-center from the shell prompt works OK and I'm seeing what looks like a normal and completely populated set of preference categories or modules.

Now, here's where it gets odd. I poked around various preference categories displayed in the Gnome control center. When I activated the "Theme" category / module, suddenly all the ugly went away. The fonts resized and crude control appearances reset to the nicer ones I'm accustomed to.

Lucky me, I guess.

Well, all was not quite as rosy as I'd thought. There were two lurking problems:

1) KDE applications opened subsequent to the change I made via Gnome Control Center all exhibited reduced font sizes.

2) Upon logging out and back in, everything was reset to its state before I applied the theme change in Gnome Control Center.

So... How do I make changes that apply only to the Gnome applications when they're running under KDE? And how do I make those changes persistent across logins?

Randall Schulz

Try this...works for me: - make sure you have gnome control center installed - install gconf-editor (kind of a "regedit" for gnome - allows you to make changes without running gnome - since doing that may hijack your desktop, screen saver, etc.) - run gconf-editor and change the following * desktop->gnome->background->draw_background (uncheck) * apps->gnome_settings_daemon->start_screensaver (uncheck) * apps->nautilus->preferences->show_desktop (uncheck) * I also had to mess with some gnome settings like dots per inch, mouse settings, keyboard repeat, etc. to prevent the gnome daemon from changing my KDE settings. - run gnome-font-properties to set your fonts (it will start the settings daemon) Now the final step it to ensure that the gnome-settings-daemon starts up automatically when you start up KDE (the KDE session manager will not do this for you) - or the fonts will be incorrect anyway. Go to ~/.kde/Autostart and create a file called gsd.desktop and put the lines between the ==== into that file. ==== [Desktop Entry] Name=gnome-settings-daemon Exec=gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon Terminal=false Type=Application ==== NOTE: The Exec line is broken into two. The --oaf-activate option is a continuation of the previous line. After the Exec=, it should look like: gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon -Trey

BandiPat

1 Dec 1 Dec

23:53

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 02:57 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]

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Yes. I noticed that and it has been enabled all along. The issues I have with the Gnome appearance is not about colors, per se, but about other stylistic issues (flat buttons, e.g., in comparison to the previous appearance which displayed shaded "curvy" buttons).

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To get to the Gnome control center in KDE, open a shell and run: gnome-control-center

"Open" a shell? Doesn't everybody keep at least one shell running at all times?

Anyway:

% gnome-control-center Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!

(nautilus:31938): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

...
(from the menu, mine is located under Menu>Utilities>Desktop>GNOME Control Center)

----------------------- This is because you were logged in as root in your shell and didn't have X privileges. You don't need to run gnome control center as root, only user. If you run as root, it will only affect root's login, not the user's. ===========

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The launch feedback just times out without the control center ever appearing. No doubt it's the same problem as shown above when run from a shell.

So... What's up with that error?

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There you should be able to adjust many things associated with Gnome and make the changes you seek.

For the moment, I'll just have to take your word for it...

...
regards, Lee

Randall Schulz ===========

Again, you can run it from the menu as well. Of course, on the shell, it's a natural part of the daily operation, isn't it? ;o) Lee

Randall R Schulz

2 Dec 2 Dec

01:56

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

Lee, On Wednesday 01 December 2004 15:53, BandiPat wrote:

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On Wednesday 01 December 2004 02:57 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote: [...]

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Anyway:

% gnome-control-center Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!

(nautilus:31938): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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(from the menu, mine is located under Menu>Utilities>Desktop>GNOME Control Center)

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This is because you were logged in as root in your shell and didn't have X privileges. You don't need to run gnome control center as root, only user. If you run as root, it will only affect root's login, not the user's.

Not true. The real and effective IDs of the shell from which I launched it were the same as those under which I logged in.

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Again, you can run it from the menu as well. Of course, on the shell, it's a natural part of the daily operation, isn't it? ;o)

Except for the fact I explicitly reported that _it doesn't work_ when I do that.

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Lee

Randall Schulz

Osho GG

09:57

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 8:49 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Yesterday I applied the latest round of supplementary KDE updates available for SuSE Pro. 9.1. Since that update, the appearance of Gnome applications run under KDE has changed--and not generally for the better, in my opinion: Buttons, borders, pseudo-3D effects, etc. all appear cruder now than they did before.

I am having the same problem. Since the latest round of supplementary KDE updates, I am having the same problem. I have been using gtk-qt theme which has been working great so far. I tried doing gnome-control-center -> Themes but it gives me the following error: The default theme schemas could not be found on your system. This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly. I have gnome 2.8 installed from usr-local-bin. I always got this error since I upgraded to gnome 2.8 from usr-local-bin so it is nothing new. I was still able to use gtk-qt theme by installing it and configuring it in KDE's control center. Now, I am stuck with weird old looking theme for all gnome/gtk application. Aarrgh! -- Osho

Osho GG

6 Dec 6 Dec

05:27

New subject: [suse-kde] Gnome Application Appearance Under KDE

On Wednesday 01 December 2004 8:49 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

Yesterday I applied the latest round of supplementary KDE updates available for SuSE Pro. 9.1. Since that update, the appearance of Gnome applications run under KDE has changed--and not generally for the better, in my opinion: Buttons, borders, pseudo-3D effects, etc. all appear cruder now than they did before.

James Ots has sent a message to this mailing list in regards to Suse 9.2 in which he suggested to create a link between ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.gtkrc-2.0-qtengine . I tried that and it fixed these problems in Suse 9.1. -- Osho

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