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Roman Bysh

10 Feb 2012 10 Feb '12

16:44

Hello List Mates, Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1. Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE Linux -- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://counter.li.org #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Roman Bysh

10 Feb 10 Feb

16:46

New subject: [Bulk] [opensuse-kde] Konsole underline character does not appear when typing

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 11:44:38 AM EST, Roman Bysh wrote:

Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Correction. I meant underscore.

Cheers!

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Jon Nelson

16:46

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Try changing the font size up or down a little bit. I believe I've hit the /exact same/ issue, and it's very strange -- it's not just konsole, either. It seemed to be all KDE apps and involved font rendering. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Roman Bysh

16:56

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 11:46:59 AM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Try changing the font size up or down a little bit. I believe I've hit the /exact same/ issue, and it's very strange -- it's not just konsole, either. It seemed to be all KDE apps and involved font rendering.

Bizarre. 9pt. monospace - underscore 10pt monospace -- no underscore 11pt monospace - underscore Then switched to Droid Sans Mono 10pt and it works. Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE Linux -- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://counter.li.org #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Jon Nelson

17:01

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 11:46:59 AM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Try changing the font size up or down a little bit. I believe I've hit the /exact same/ issue, and it's very strange -- it's not just konsole, either. It seemed to be all KDE apps and involved font rendering.

Bizarre. 9pt. monospace - underscore

10pt monospace -- no underscore

11pt monospace - underscore

Then switched to Droid Sans Mono 10pt and it works.

What font didn't work? I almost always use Deja Vu Sans Mono. Is this a KDE bug? A QT bug? A font renderer bug? I wonder if gnome-terminal or some other GNOME app could be made to exhibit the same issue. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Roman Bysh

23:27

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 12:01:56 PM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On Fri 10 Feb 2012 11:46:59 AM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Try changing the font size up or down a little bit. I believe I've hit the /exact same/ issue, and it's very strange -- it's not just konsole, either. It seemed to be all KDE apps and involved font rendering.

Bizarre. 9pt. monospace - underscore

10pt monospace -- no underscore

11pt monospace - underscore

Then switched to Droid Sans Mono 10pt and it works.

What font didn't work? I almost always use Deja Vu Sans Mono. Is this a KDE bug? A QT bug? A font renderer bug?

I wonder if gnome-terminal or some other GNOME app could be made to exhibit the same issue.

Monospace. -- Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE Linux -- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://counter.li.org #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Roman Bysh

23:38

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 06:27:55 PM EST, Roman Bysh wrote:

On Fri 10 Feb 2012 12:01:56 PM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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On Fri 10 Feb 2012 11:46:59 AM EST, Jon Nelson wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello List Mates,

Is it my keyboard or does the "_" character disappear after typing it while in konsole? I'm using 12.1.

Try changing the font size up or down a little bit. I believe I've hit the /exact same/ issue, and it's very strange -- it's not just konsole, either. It seemed to be all KDE apps and involved font rendering.

Bizarre. 9pt. monospace - underscore

10pt monospace -- no underscore

11pt monospace - underscore

Then switched to Droid Sans Mono 10pt and it works.

What font didn't work? I almost always use Deja Vu Sans Mono. Is this a KDE bug? A QT bug? A font renderer bug?

I wonder if gnome-terminal or some other GNOME app could be made to exhibit the same issue.

Monospace.

If I select the Appearance tab and deselect "Smooth fonts". The underscore works!! Roman ------------------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE Linux -- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://counter.li.org #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Rajko M.

11 Feb 11 Feb

10:29

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:38:50 -0500 Roman Bysh wrote:

If I select the Appearance tab and deselect "Smooth fonts". The underscore works!!

I turned "Smooth fonts" off to improve contrast and readability, but your problems with it prompted me to check underscore and after that how it works in different color combinations that are offered in KDE console (konsole). I have underscore at size 10 with Monospace, DejaVu Sans Mono [unknown] (which seems to be the same as Monospace) and Droid Sans Mono [unknown], so real culprit could be your desktop settings for smoothing (hinting and subpixel rendering). My hinting is on "slight", subpixel rendering is at RGB vertical. Smoothing helps a lot with dark characters on a light background. Although, every vertical line is a bit thicker, general appearance is much more improved then without it. I use "White on Black", white text on a black background, and Droid Sans Mono, and it took some time to try every command in the Profile setup window to find out that otherwise useful "Smooth fonts" is a culprit for hardly readable text. It seems that automatic change, like when you hover over colors, works with enable - disable smoothing only after using "Apply" button, but I did not analyze to every detail when it works and when not. Of course other people can come to different conclusions, depending on eyesight and how is smoothing set up on a desktop level. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Roman Bysh

15:56

On Sat 11 Feb 2012 05:29:18 AM EST, Rajko M. wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:38:50 -0500 Roman Bysh wrote:

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If I select the Appearance tab and deselect "Smooth fonts". The underscore works!!

I turned "Smooth fonts" off to improve contrast and readability, but your problems with it prompted me to check underscore and after that how it works in different color combinations that are offered in KDE console (konsole).

I have underscore at size 10 with Monospace, DejaVu Sans Mono [unknown] (which seems to be the same as Monospace) and Droid Sans Mono [unknown], so real culprit could be your desktop settings for smoothing (hinting and subpixel rendering). My hinting is on "slight", subpixel rendering is at RGB vertical.

Smoothing helps a lot with dark characters on a light background. Although, every vertical line is a bit thicker, general appearance is much more improved then without it.

I use "White on Black", white text on a black background, and Droid Sans Mono, and it took some time to try every command in the Profile setup window to find out that otherwise useful "Smooth fonts" is a culprit for hardly readable text.

It seems that automatic change, like when you hover over colors, works with enable - disable smoothing only after using "Apply" button, but I did not analyze to every detail when it works and when not.

Of course other people can come to different conclusions, depending on eyesight and how is smoothing set up on a desktop level.

I found the culprit. I had DejaVu fonts set in Font settings. Changing them to Droid Sans fixed the problem. I am using Droid Sans Mono 10pt. with "Smooth fonts" in konsole. -- Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------------------------------ openSUSE Linux -- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://counter.li.org #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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