On 26/11/09 13:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 21:19]:

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This is now the end of November and the problem with the sound is still there. The version of kaffeine I am running (in 11.2) is still showing as version 0.91+1.0pre2-5.1.

factory has kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre2-9.3.x86_64 available KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop

Thanks, Patrick, but I am running a 32-bit system..... I also have the KDE:/43/ repo selected for zypper to use so would expect the latest to be made available there - or am I wrong? BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 26/11/09 13:53, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 21:51]:

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On 26/11/09 13:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 21:19]:

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This is now the end of November and the problem with the sound is still there. The version of kaffeine I am running (in 11.2) is still showing as version 0.91+1.0pre2-5.1.

factory has kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre2-9.3.x86_64 available KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop

Thanks, Patrick, but I am running a 32-bit system.....

I also have the KDE:/43/ repo selected for zypper to use so would expect the latest to be made available there - or am I wrong?

the 32-bit will be there too, but that isn't the KDE:/43/ repo. And it would depend on your priority settings, remembering that an ace is higher than a duce than a trey.....

rocket science.

Thank you, Herr Wernher :-) . Getting that 1.0pre2-9.3 version would be of little use to me unless Christoph's "fix" appears in it. Even the version I now have was built on 30 October, well after Christoph put the fix in. There is nothing to say that 2-9.3 will have it. BC -- I work to live not live to work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 26/11/09 14:17, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 22:15]:

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Getting that 1.0pre2-9.3 version would be of little use to me unless Christoph's "fix" appears in it. Even the version I now have was built on 30 October, well after Christoph put the fix in. There is nothing to say that 2-9.3 will have it.

download the rpm and check the changes

rpm -qp --changelog ./package.rpm

separate stage 1

Thanks. Nah, zilch....last fix is dated 4 October and to do with translations. BC -- The best defence against logic is ignorance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 26/11/09 14:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 22:44]:

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Thanks. Nah, zilch....last fix is dated 4 October and to do with translations.

Probably means the packager didn't update the changelog file.

Possibly - but then this is the reason for a Changelog to exist, no, for it to be kept up-to-date? :-) I'll just wait until the maintainer/packager/whoever may answer my question. Or someone who uses kaffeine to watch (terrestial) TV and can get sound on *ALL* High Definition TV channels (proving that Christoph's fix has been put in place) let's me know that the sound is working for him/her on all such channels :-) . BC -- The best defence against logic is ignorance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 26/11/09 18:57, Martin Schlander wrote:

Torsdag den 26. november 2009 03:48:39 skrev Basil Chupin:

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On 26/11/09 13:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [11-25-09 21:19]:

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This is now the end of November and the problem with the sound is still there. The version of kaffeine I am running (in 11.2) is still showing as version 0.91+1.0pre2-5.1.

factory has kaffeine-0.9+1.0pre2-9.3.x86_64 available KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop

Thanks, Patrick, but I am running a 32-bit system.....

I also have the KDE:/43/ repo selected for zypper to use so would expect the latest to be made available there - or am I wrong?

When Kaffeine do another (beta) release it should appear in the KDE:Bacports repo.

Don't think anybody has time or will to cherrypick patches or update from vcs at random times.

Who's talking about "vcs"? Christoph mentioned svn. And I am not asking about *backporting* to some earlier version of openSUSE but I am talking about the very latest, just released, openSUSE 11.2. BC -- The best defence against logic is ignorance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 26/11/09 23:31, MasterPatricko wrote:

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 26/11/09 18:57, Martin Schlander wrote:

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When Kaffeine do another (beta) release it should appear in the KDE:Bacports repo.

Don't think anybody has time or will to cherrypick patches or update from vcs at random times.

Who's talking about "vcs"?

Christoph mentioned svn.

And I am not asking about *backporting* to some earlier version of openSUSE but I am talking about the very latest, just released, openSUSE 11.2.

vcs is any Version Control System, including svn. It is a generic term for cvs/svn/git/bzr/hg/anything.

Thanks for this information - I didn't know this.

Grabbing patches from future (e.g. unreleased svn) upstream code is the definition of backporting. So yes you are asking about backporting.

We obviously have a different different definition of what "backporting" means. I now know what you mean by "backporting".

What we have been trying to tell you repeatedly

Ce? Who had been trying "to tell [me] repeatedly"? First I've heard that....

is that nobody is going to do a new build of kaffeine just for you for this one fix,

...the above. Nor have I asked for this to be done - just for ME. (Calm down my pounding heart...)

wait till kaffeine upstream releases a new version (1.0pre3 or something)

Then who has been "officially" releasing versions 0.9+1.0pre2-9.1 and *.pre2-9.3 (the first being built on Tues 3 Nov and the second on Wed 25 Nov and both containing the SVN patch dated Sun 4 Oct)? So, what you are saying is that these 2 "releases" are unofficial and, as such, should therefore not be available for download and installation on something like openSUSE 11.2?

officially and we will package that release then, probably in KDE4:Backports or similar.

As per the kaffeine website http://kaffeine.kde.org/ 1.0pre2 is the latest release and that is the version that is packaged in openSUSE. That is all the packages are obligated to do.

Again - Ce`?! The package available in oS is v 0.9+1.0pre2-9.x. I think we have a problem with clarity here caused by the use of too many abbreviations. Are you stating that there is a version1.0pre2?

Otherwise if this one fix is important to you, instead of always asking others to do the work, just copy the kaffeine package on the OBS (into your home repo or something) and add the necessary patch.

Firstly, it is always easy for those who know what they are doing. Secondly, I do not know what the patch is which Christoph put together - he didn't tell me.

While I don't want to sound negative or patronizing, it's not terribly hard considering the effort going into complaining atm.

And how simple would it have been for whoever built the latest version of kaffeine (0.9+1.0pre2-9.3) on the 25 November to have included the patch Christoph wrote and submitted on 18 October?

Regards,

MasterPatricko

Sentiments reciprocated. BC -- The best defence against logic is ignorance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org