Hi Carl, I am disappointed that you feel this way, especially as you use expletives when talking about the various problems you had. Sounds like you asked the wrong people ("Well maybe you SHOULD be running Windows if you can't figure it out...".)- deep down windows is horrible, I would never advise people to go back to it. My current pocket money comes by way of windows development and I have a lot of problems at the moment with the software we write - it works on some machines but refuses to install on identical machines! At home, I have all but given up on windows as nothing will install on it (DVD drive, Promise EIDE card, Future Domain SCSI card, T-online internet software.... the list goes on). My first hard disk died on me a few weeks back, I was able to save the info from Linux and transfer it to another drive, but Windows....wow what problems I had; Windows 95 refused to install unless I fooled it into thinking the drive was only 8.4 GB (amongst other problems) and NT kept forgetting where it was or crashing on install - there were many problems. I do everything at home in Linux now. I installed SuSE 7.1 last year when it first came out, have used Linux on and off since 1993 and I rarely have problems with it, so I would be interested in what problems you have had and why you had them; perhaps I or someone knowledgeable could help you there. I don't however respond to things such as XYZ sucks or ABC is shit. I don't think KDE, Gnome, SuSE or Linux are doomed - they still have a lot of work to do, but then so does every OpSys and they don't admit it. I also wonder about the motives of some people and I too like to switch on my computer and "get work done". regards, John On Sunday, 22 September 2002 23:21, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Monday 23 September 2002 05.42, Carl wrote:

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The SuSE release of 2.4.16 is ok, it contains some needed patches.

Isn't that working then?

//Anders

True, it does say Suse. But I am looking for at least SOME way to explain these problems to my boss. In looking around at the newsgroups, linuxnewbie, and /., I can tell you that we have now lost a very large new population of users because they simply could not make Linux work. Meaning problem releases like RedHat's 'C compiler' release, Mandrake's 8.0 and 8.1 releases, and Suse's 8 release. We've lost them for a long time because of incumbant attitudes like "Well maybe you SHOULD be running Windows if you can't figure it out...". The best remark of discouragement I saw was, "I don't want to be configuring all the time anymore. I just want to turn on the computer and be able to get work done. I've been using Linux now for 2 years and things =haven't= gotten better." I realize this doesn't sit well with the acolytes. But these are facts. Even I am seriously ready for Apple if things don't improve. Packaging tangled? Yast2 buggy and destructive? K selects Keramik over Liquid for political reasons, despite popular opinion? (so Mosfet quits) New releases, not BETTER releases? I'm now beyond wondering what could be wrong. I have one machine up now with Suse8/K3.0.3 and my fonts got muggered up again when I dared to install my .ttf's, just like with 7.3 . As with 7.3, one illegible font (saudi.ttf) has been substituted for display by MOST fonts. I can select any of 90% of my fonts, and they all look like saudi. WTF?! I remove saudi and then all lettering is just BLOCKS. THROUGHOUT K! Completely unusable, and no apparent place to fix it. I personally believe KDE and Gnome's inability to get their shit together has now alone doomed Linux. Patrick, thanks for the refer to Mantel, but the one Mantel I tried was busted. I need to stick with official releases to cover my arse. -- To unsubscribe, email: suse-kde-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, email: suse-kde-help@suse.com Please do not cross-post to suse-linux-e