[opensuse-kde] Fwd: Re: ksuseinstall URL text
---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: ksuseinstall URL text Date: Friday 28 May 2010, 19:10:20 From: Javier Llorente <javier@opensuse.org> To: Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> BEGINS ==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ] Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled. Before registering arbitrary repositories to your openSUSE installation, you should consider these risks. The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts. However, when installing or updating software you should always look at the proposed changes to make sure nothing is being added or removed that could compromise the integrity of your installation. If in doubt, do not continue. ==Debug packages== To help improve openSUSE, you can report bugs when a program crashes. The Dr Konqi application can install additional debug packages to improve the quality of this crash information. For openSUSE releases, these packages are contained in a separate repository due to their size. This repository is safe to add. [Note: this is not clear since you don't mention that safe repositiory] ==Multimedia Software== Support for proprietary formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. Please see the [http://software.opensuse.org/codecsCodecspage] for more information on enabling proprietary formats. ENDS -- Javier Llorente ----------------------------------------- -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag den 23. juni 2010 15:53:50 skrev Will Stephenson: Looks good overall. A couple of comments.
==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ]
Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled.
The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts.
Maybe we should get coolo to remove the X11 and Videolan repos from the list for that statement to be more true ;-)
==Multimedia Software== Support for proprietary formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. Please see the [http://software.opensuse.org/codecsCodecspage]
This url seems to be defective to me. I get the search page with an error message. "Error Server said: No route matches "/codecsCodecspage" with {:method=>:get}"
for more information on enabling proprietary formats. ENDS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 of June 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
BEGINS ==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ]
Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled.
Before registering arbitrary repositories to your openSUSE installation, you should consider these risks. The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts. However, when installing or updating software you should always look at the proposed changes to make sure nothing is being added or removed that could compromise the integrity of your installation. If in doubt, do not continue.
==Debug packages== To help improve openSUSE, you can report bugs when a program crashes. The Dr Konqi application
People who need this page have no idea what the Dr Konqi application is. I suggest changing to 'The crash handler' or similar.
can install additional debug packages to improve the quality of this crash information. For openSUSE releases, these packages are contained in a separate repository due to their size. This repository is safe to add. [Note: this is not clear since you don't mention that safe repositiory]
I think this should give specific steps how to add the repository (add new repo->add->community repos->debug repo).
==Multimedia Software== Support for proprietary formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. Please see the [http://software.opensuse.org/codecsCodecspage]
The URL is incorrect.
for more information on enabling proprietary formats. ENDS
Hmm. The ugly beast again :(. If I'm Joe No-Stupid-Patents-Country User who's started Amarok, got the MP3 dialog and is now viewing the page, I probably kind of have an idea what this is about, but I'm pretty unsure what to do, even though that's just enabling the Packman repo in the launched 'yast2 repositories'. The referenced http://software.opensuse.org/Codecs page doesn't say much on its own. The Fluendo workshop link won't help me at all, since, besides all the other hurdles, we default to Xine and not to GStreamer. The community information link is better, since there is a realistic chance I'll make it somehow, but it's not much better - I need to select the one out of two 'Restricted Formats' links at the bottom page that is correct and gets me to the pages I need. Will, will you be able to grab Juergen and come up with something that actually has a reasonable chance the user gets to a usable result here? -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 23 June 2010 17:13:59 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Wednesday 23 of June 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
BEGINS ==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ]
Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled.
Before registering arbitrary repositories to your openSUSE installation, you should consider these risks. The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts. However, when installing or updating software you should always look at the proposed changes to make sure nothing is being added or removed that could compromise the integrity of your installation. If in doubt, do not continue.
==Debug packages== To help improve openSUSE, you can report bugs when a program crashes. The Dr Konqi application
People who need this page have no idea what the Dr Konqi application is. I suggest changing to 'The crash handler' or similar.
can install additional debug packages to improve the quality of this crash information. For openSUSE releases, these packages are contained in a separate repository due to their size. This repository is safe to add. [Note: this is not clear since you don't mention that safe repositiory]
I think this should give specific steps how to add the repository (add new repo->add->community repos->debug repo).
==Multimedia Software== Support for proprietary formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. Please see the [http://software.opensuse.org/codecsCodecspage]
The URL is incorrect.
for more information on enabling proprietary formats. ENDS
Hmm. The ugly beast again :(. If I'm Joe No-Stupid-Patents-Country User who's started Amarok, got the MP3 dialog and is now viewing the page, I probably kind of have an idea what this is about, but I'm pretty unsure what to do, even though that's just enabling the Packman repo in the launched 'yast2 repositories'. The referenced http://software.opensuse.org/Codecs page doesn't say much on its own. The Fluendo workshop link won't help me at all, since, besides all the other hurdles, we default to Xine and not to GStreamer. The community information link is better, since there is a realistic chance I'll make it somehow, but it's not much better - I need to select the one out of two 'Restricted Formats' links at the bottom page that is correct and gets me to the pages I need.
Will, will you be able to grab Juergen and come up with something that actually has a reasonable chance the user gets to a usable result here?
Updated version incorporating your comments BEGINS ==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ] Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled. Before registering arbitrary repositories to your openSUSE installation, you should consider these risks. The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts. However, when installing or updating software you should always look at the proposed changes to make sure nothing is being added or removed that could compromise the integrity of your installation. If in doubt, do not continue. ==Debug packages== To help improve openSUSE, you can report bugs when a program crashes. The crash handler can install additional debug packages to improve the quality of this crash information. For openSUSE releases, these packages are contained in a separate repository due to their size. This repository can be added by opening Software Repositories in YaST, Add a repository, select Community Repositories, check Main Repository (DEBUG), then select Ok. ==Multimedia Software== Support for some formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. See the [http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats Restricted Formats] page for more information on enabling additional formats. ===Disclaimer / Warning=== The above link is to a non-openSUSE site. The linked sites are not under the control of Novell and Novell is not responsible for the contents of any linked site or any link contained in a linked site, or any changes or updates to such sites. Novell is providing these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply endorsement by Novell of any linked site. ENDS -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
* Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> [06-24-10 11:47]:
==Multimedia Software== Support for some formats and codecs is not shipped out-of-the box in openSUSE. See the [http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats Restricted Formats] page for more information on enabling additional formats.
===Disclaimer / Warning=== The above link is to a non-openSUSE site. The linked sites are not under the control of Novell and Novell is not responsible for the contents of any linked site or any link contained in a linked site, or any changes or updates to such sites. Novell is providing these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply endorsement by Novell of any linked site. ENDS
This is good information, plain and factual, but makes it appear that openSUSE is a product of and/or under the direct control of Novell. Perhaps wording explaining that the "Dis/Warn" is due to Novell providing the hardware and web space and particular countries laws which preclude directly providing those applications. Or, if I am wrong about this, to at least give Novell credit for it's dues rather than control? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 24 of June 2010, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> [06-24-10 11:47]:
===Disclaimer / Warning=== The above link is to a non-openSUSE site. The linked sites are not under the control of Novell and Novell is not responsible for the contents of any linked site or any link contained in a linked site, or any changes or updates to such sites. Novell is providing these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply endorsement by Novell of any linked site. ENDS
This is good information, plain and factual, but makes it appear that openSUSE is a product of and/or under the direct control of Novell. Perhaps wording explaining that the "Dis/Warn" is due to Novell providing the hardware and web space and particular countries laws which preclude directly providing those applications. Or, if I am wrong about this, to at least give Novell credit for it's dues rather than control?
AFAIK currently Novell is legally responsible for openSUSE, so this is necessary. This will eventually change when openSUSE foundation is created. -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 24 of June 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
Updated version incorporating your comments
BEGINS ==Repositories== Repositories are collections of Linux software. They can be used to extend your openSUSE installation with software that is not included in an openSUSE release for size or policy reasons, or to update it with newer software versions that were not available at the time of release. [Note: there are offline repositories as well (ie: DVD). ]
Repositories may contain software of any trust level and may replace important system packages as well as adding new software. In addition, by combining many different repositories and installing their software, conflicts between software versions may arise which cause some packages to be uninstalled.
Before registering arbitrary repositories to your openSUSE installation, you should consider these risks. The repositories suggested by the Community Repositories list in YaST's Installation Sources module are intended to be safe and free of conflicts. However, when installing or updating software you should always look at the proposed changes to make sure nothing is being added or removed that could compromise the integrity of your installation. If in doubt, do not continue.
==Debug packages== To help improve openSUSE, you can report bugs when a program crashes. The crash handler can install additional debug packages to improve the quality of this crash information. For openSUSE releases, these packages are contained in a separate repository due to their size. This repository can be added by opening Software Repositories in YaST, Add a repository, select Community Repositories, check Main Repository (DEBUG), then select Ok.
First of all, the repo-debug repository is added by default, so the steps are incorrect, the repo just needs enabling. Second, this is from the dialog before Software Repositories is launched, so the first steps are incorrect too. But in general, I find this too vague and theoretical. It's nice that the user is explained what a repo is, but what they want to know in the first place is what they should do. IMO there should be a DO-THIS section that says for debug packages enable the repo, for others add a repo this way and try the community repos if you don't know, for multimedia stuff follow this link. The Yast2 dialog is big enough to be already confusing enough as it is (see e.g. [*] ) and adding even more while still leaving it up to the user to figure it out is not improving it. [*] http://kdedevelopers.org/node/4232#comment-8953 -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 28 of June 2010, Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Thursday 24 of June 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
Updated version incorporating your comments
Ok, we have about 2 days to finish this. The location of the actual files is https://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/help.o.o , first version is also attached. I have fixed the debug section to say how to enable the repo instead of adding it, and similarly I've added step-by-step instructions for community repos (there was another 11.3 review stating that ksuseinstall on its own doesn't really help that much :( ). Please review, comment, tomorrow it should go in and be synced to the server. I don't know how translations were done for 11.2 for the http://help.opensuse.org/kde4 page, does somebody know, can be still make it here for 11.3? Also somebody should update the restricted formats page linked from here to actually explain how to add the necessary xine stuff instead, would somebody take care of that (I obviously do not want to do that)? -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org
On Tuesday 13 July 2010 15:44:43 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Monday 28 of June 2010, Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Thursday 24 of June 2010, Will Stephenson wrote:
Updated version incorporating your comments
Ok, we have about 2 days to finish this. The location of the actual files is https://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/help.o. o , first version is also attached. I have fixed the debug section to say how to enable the repo instead of adding it, and similarly I've added step-by-step instructions for community repos (there was another 11.3 review stating that ksuseinstall on its own doesn't really help that much :( ).
Please review, comment, tomorrow it should go in and be synced to the server. I don't know how translations were done for 11.2 for the http://help.opensuse.org/kde4 page, does somebody know, can be still make it here for 11.3? Also somebody should update the restricted formats page linked from here to actually explain how to add the necessary xine stuff instead, would somebody take care of that (I obviously do not want to do that)? I would change
"Note that in some cases there may be no package at all available for certain action" to "Note that in some cases there may not be any package available for a given action" But otherwise, the English text is fine. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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