[opensuse-kde] openSUSE KDE status?
Hey everyone! It's been a while since Will posted a long list of things for 12.2. What's happened since then? It's been a while since the last meeting. It's been a while since KDE devs at openSUSE gave some status of their KDE work on the mailinglist – in case there is no meeting to do so. It's been a while since somebody with needed rights updated the #opensuse-kde channel topic… To me it seems that as soon as Will is away nothing happens anymore. So will 12.2 be yet another release with a long list of possible polishing and hardly anything of that put into reality? Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Lørdag den 26. maj 2012 17:52:17 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.?
It's a community. Join the team and organize meetings if you think they're important. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun 27 May 2012 05:50:54 AM EDT, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag den 26. maj 2012 17:52:17 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.?
It's a community. Join the team and organize meetings if you think they're important.
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Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2012, 11:50:54 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Lørdag den 26. maj 2012 17:52:17 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.?
It's a community. Join the team and organize meetings if you think they're important.
If you can only present the community argument regarding the organisation of KDE team meetings it tells me a lot about the status. But I get the message, they are not important to you or those adding +1 etc. – otherwise you or any of those would have organised them. And of course it does not matter whether one can spend hours a day on something because one is paid for it or whether one does it as a hobby. And where did you leave all the other stuff? Anyway, rhetorical questions I guess. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Søndag den 27. maj 2012 20:37:34 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2012, 11:50:54 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Lørdag den 26. maj 2012 17:52:17 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.?
It's a community. Join the team and organize meetings if you think they're important.
If you can only present the community argument regarding the organisation of KDE team meetings it tells me a lot about the status. But I get the message, they are not important to you or those adding +1 etc. – otherwise you or any of those would have organised them. And of course it does not matter whether one can spend hours a day on something because one is paid for it or whether one does it as a hobby.
And where did you leave all the other stuff? Anyway, rhetorical questions I guess.
I can't answer the other stuff better than you can yourself. I don't know what people are doing or why. All I can say is I prefer developers working on KDE rather than writing reports or organizing meetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, den 28.05.2012, 10:02 +0200 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Søndag den 27. maj 2012 20:37:34 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2012, 11:50:54 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Lørdag den 26. maj 2012 17:52:17 Sven Burmeister skrev:
Why is it called "KDE team" if those in it do not have any time to work on KDE or organise at least a bi-weekly meeting etc.?
It's a community. Join the team and organize meetings if you think they're important.
If you can only present the community argument regarding the organisation of KDE team meetings it tells me a lot about the status. But I get the message, they are not important to you or those adding +1 etc. – otherwise you or any of those would have organised them. And of course it does not matter whether one can spend hours a day on something because one is paid for it or whether one does it as a hobby.
And where did you leave all the other stuff? Anyway, rhetorical questions I guess.
I can't answer the other stuff better than you can yourself. I don't know what people are doing or why. All I can say is I prefer developers working on KDE rather than writing reports or organizing meetings.
Martin, ever came to the idea that it is user-developers who want to know what to do? It will certainly give people who stood for the development of the upcoming openSUSE with KDE (12.2 + 4.8.3) are of interest. There are even more active in informing the openSUSE community blog about the article again interested user to what's happening. Agreement was reached in any meeting (Wiki says exactly which meeting it was) in the past to the future report more about what is happening developmentally. However, there is nowhere that this is only going to do Will Stephenson, there are also more could be reported by that .... it also said Burmeister Sver if I am not mistaken. ;-) Look in the lizard.o.o … stands there for a long time hardly what. In news.o.o it is no different. It was not always like looking into the archives of the Lizard and News.oo shows. Interested users can find almost anything, so that even people who came to the conclusion that the community "death" is .... which is confirmed because there was no new since Milestone 3 test medium for 12.2 more. ;-) -- Grüße aus dem Länd'le Lisufa der Linuxsusefan
Am Montag, 28. Mai 2012, 10:26:47 schrieb Lisufas Linuxfreundeonline:
Agreement was reached in any meeting (Wiki says exactly which meeting it was) in the past to the future report more about what is happening developmentally. However, there is nowhere that this is only going to do Will Stephenson, there are also more could be reported by that .... it also said Burmeister Sver if I am not mistaken. ;-)
Yep, I skipped the last blog about 4.8.3 openSUSE packages because repos were broken, i.e. some packages not building, every time I checked and I did not want to announce them in that state. And I'm not refering to breakages due to obs outages. Given the statement that repos are checked every few days, I'll also stop to notify about build breakages and just wonder how, given that statement, things like the taglib -> libtag dependency issue for 11.4 or currently python-kde4 can stay unnoticed for longer than a few working days – especially since according to Martin a lot of time was saved within the last month not having a meeting or status reports etc. I know the "submit patches song". Still it seems wrong to me to point to it in cases where breakages happen because people commit/accept SRs without checking afterwards whether that commit does actually build or even breaks building of other packages – or given the statement of repos being checked every few days by openSUSE staff anyway. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about instant fixes for my personal pet bugs or updating apps in KUA, Extra etc. But simply checking whether accepted commits broke building and whether important repos like KDF and KR48 are building. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 28. Mai 2012, 10:02:52 schrieb Martin Schlander:
I can't answer the other stuff better than you can yourself. I don't know what people are doing or why. All I can say is I prefer developers working on KDE rather than writing reports or organizing meetings.
Indeed, organising a meeting (which btw can be really easy if you just set-up a fixed date), i.e. checking within the openSUSE staff first when they have time, or updating the channel topic or writing a few bullet points regarding the polishing list would hold them back from adding substantially to KDE. And communication is generally overrated within a community anyway. Maybe people think that if you are not on IRC you are not part of the community and hence communicating with you via other channels is useless. Or maybe they think that communicating outside IRC is not worth the effort to acquire new members. Maybe people think that communicating outside IRC would not help to spread information from the "core" team to other channels via community members who currently do not know what to spread if they are not on IRC or are not able to read the minds of those working on KDE. At least I start to care less, given this kind of reaction. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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