[opensuse-kde] KDE4.x feedback
Here's some feedback from the use case of me using KDE4.0.2 in stead of KDE3 on 10.3. Killer missing feature (or bug, I'm not sure which): * Plasma not giving me desktop on second screen/tv-out. This in the very least means that I will have to keep KDE3 around as an option to be able to watch video on nice big tv, sitting in nice comfy armchair. Near fatal missing feature: * No kpf. Maybe I can use a real ftp-server to replace it, but... :-( Features that will be sorely missed: * Konq profile menu-applet * system monitor applet * networkmonitor (knemo, knetload) maybe knm stats can do * preview of various filetypes in konq/dolphin (especially PO-files and videos) * adding extra panels * making panels hide until screen border/corner is touched * easy graphical configuration of panel transparency/background * intuitive two click access to kmenuedit * moving launcer icons/plasmoids around in panel * servicemenus (compress/extract, amarok etc.) * adding menus and submenus (e.g. 'Internet') to panel * sysinfo:/ * keyboardfriendliness of Kickoff - especially lacking a shortcut just to open it (Alt+F1). This is not to be considered a rant, just hoping that the information is somehow helpful. Some of the features may be available somewhere and I'm just ign'ant. Naturally there are also a number of things in KDE4.0 I'd miss should I decide to stay on KDE3. My findings after very briefly using kdepim4.1on4.0: * Akregator won't seem to let me view the content of posts, except in "combined view mode" which isn't nice. But last time I tried it was more crashy.. * KMail. Can't seem to access gmail with imap. Not impossible that it's a configuration mistake on my part, but I believe I'm using the same configuration that works with KDE3 KMail. * KNode. Still won't post - now it says "error, leaving in outbox", which is slightly less dramatic than the old error from when I first tested. * Kontact. Doesn't seem to be an option to remove unwanted components from the sidebar on the left. To me it seems that it hardly works well enough to really even test it yet :-/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 12 of March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
Here's some feedback from the use case of me using KDE4.0.2 in stead of KDE3 on 10.3.
Killer missing feature (or bug, I'm not sure which): * Plasma not giving me desktop on second screen/tv-out. This in the very least means that I will have to keep KDE3 around as an option to be able to watch video on nice big tv, sitting in nice comfy armchair.
Non-Xinerama multiscreen has never been really supported, even the initial patches that added some kind of support for it ages ago were just ugly hacks. Try to use a Xinerama-like solution if possible. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 972 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag den 12. Marts 2008 19:47:04 skrev Lubos Lunak:
On Wednesday 12 of March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
Here's some feedback from the use case of me using KDE4.0.2 in stead of KDE3 on 10.3.
Killer missing feature (or bug, I'm not sure which): * Plasma not giving me desktop on second screen/tv-out. This in the very least means that I will have to keep KDE3 around as an option to be able to watch video on nice big tv, sitting in nice comfy armchair.
Non-Xinerama multiscreen has never been really supported, even the initial patches that added some kind of support for it ages ago were just ugly hacks. Try to use a Xinerama-like solution if possible.
Hm.. I believe I used xinerama-like setup a little bit in the past - but iirc I had a lot of problems with yakuake, superkaramba-themes, wallpapers etc. acting very strange, and generally everything appearing in places I didn't want them to. Xinerama is probably the way to go for "normal" multiscreen" use, but for tv-out used a few hrs. every week I think keeping the screens completely separate is nicer. But I guess I'll try it out, maybe memory fails me, and I had those problems with a different setup. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Onsdag den 12. Marts 2008 19:47:04 skrev Lubos Lunak:
On Wednesday 12 of March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
Killer missing feature (or bug, I'm not sure which): * Plasma not giving me desktop on second screen/tv-out. This in the very least means that I will have to keep KDE3 around as an option to be able to watch video on nice big tv, sitting in nice comfy armchair.
Non-Xinerama multiscreen has never been really supported, even the initial patches that added some kind of support for it ages ago were just ugly hacks. Try to use a Xinerama-like solution if possible.
I tried xinerama again. While I do get _something_ on my tv-out this way, I can't say I find it very useful (neither in kde3 nor kde4). My tv doesn't run in the same resolution as my monitor, so I get a lot of dead area which doesn't seem to be handled well. Say I wanted to watch a video I'd have to stretch out the window manually to match the available space every time, can't just hit maximize without half the window being invisible. Also the tv isn't an "extra display area". Instead what is displayed on the tv seems to be a clone of the top left part of my main monitor. In KDE4 (unstable) this "cloned" area is even visible on the main monitor which isn't pretty, see: http://suse.linuxin.dk/xinerama.png This "cloning" also means that I can't use the main monitor for something else while watching video on the tv. The benefit of the "clone" effect is that I don't have to worry about windows from main monitor being spread across both monitors when maximized. Here's my xorg.conf (during testing xinerama wasn't commented out of course) http://suse.linuxin.dk/xorg.conf Maybe I just don't understand a thing about what's going on, but non-xinerama twinview seems far better supported in kde3 than xinerama is on either kde3 or kde4. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
In KDE4 (unstable) this "cloned" area is even visible on the main monitor which isn't pretty, see: http://suse.linuxin.dk/xinerama.png
Nice. now you start krandrtray from KDE4 and configure it the way you want it to be. Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Mandag den 17. Marts 2008 12:01:06 skrev Dirk Mueller:
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
In KDE4 (unstable) this "cloned" area is even visible on the main monitor which isn't pretty, see: http://suse.linuxin.dk/xinerama.png
Nice. now you start krandrtray from KDE4 and configure it the way you want it to be.
Thanks for the tip. Didn't work as hoped, krandrtray context menu tells me "required x-extension is not available", and any attempt to do anything crashes krandrtray. This is on 10.3/xorg7.2/nvidia-kmp/kde4.1. I'll assume Nvidia is the culprit, since krandrtray seems to behave nicely on my ancient laptop with 10.3/xorg7.2/kde4.0/ati-driver (free one, not fglrx blob). I will try it again on a3 with latest Nvidia blob and see if I have better luck. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 17 March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:
Didn't work as hoped, krandrtray context menu tells me "required x-extension is not available", and any attempt to do anything crashes krandrtray. This is on 10.3/xorg7.2/nvidia-kmp/kde4.1.
bugreport.. -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 12. March 2008 16:54:03 Martin Schlander wrote: Let me repeat some stuff said on IRC yesterday for everyone...
Near fatal missing feature: * No kpf. Maybe I can use a real ftp-server to replace it, but... :-(
Kepas includes a fully ported kpf.
* networkmonitor (knemo, knetload) maybe knm stats can do
kcpuload and knetload are not Kicker applets but system tray icons and should continue to work just fine on a KDE4 desktop.
* adding extra panels * moving launcer icons/plasmoids around in panel * intuitive two click access to kmenuedit
Those already work in trunk or exist as patches - we 'just' have to manage to backport them resp. add the patches to our KDE 4.0 packages.
* sysinfo:/
Install the kde4-kio_sysinfo package
My findings after very briefly using kdepim4.1on4.0:
Thanks for testing, be sure to keep the Bugzillas up-to-date :-)... Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 13 March 2008, Stephan Binner wrote:
* sysinfo:/ Install the kde4-kio_sysinfo package
note that kde4-kio_sysinfo is currently not fully ported (media handling isn't done), I know about that. Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Binner schreef:
On Wednesday, 12. March 2008 16:54:03 Martin Schlander wrote:
* networkmonitor (knemo, knetload) maybe knm stats can do
kcpuload and knetload are not Kicker applets but system tray icons and should continue to work just fine on a KDE4 desktop.
As part of what package? They both bring no results. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.2 (KDE 4.0.2) "release 8.1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 13 March 2008 17:56:00 Oddball wrote:
* networkmonitor (knemo, knetload) maybe knm stats can do kcpuload and knetload are not Kicker applets but system tray icons and As part of what package? They both bring no results.
They are both in the KDE:Community build service project. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Binner schreef:
On Thursday 13 March 2008 17:56:00 Oddball wrote:
* networkmonitor (knemo, knetload) maybe knm stats can do
kcpuload and knetload are not Kicker applets but system tray icons and
As part of what package? They both bring no results.
They are both in the KDE:Community build service project.
Bye, Steve
Found them, and used 1-click install again: What a speed! I have never seen yast so fast! I did not believe it was possible to get speed up so much! If that stays like this, i am realy deeply impressed... Clever to show the percentage when opening second monitors. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.2 (KDE 4.0.2) "release 8.1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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