[opensuse-kde] KDE SC 4.3.4 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop; soon in 11.2 online update
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version. I'll be straight with you; the impetus for doing this comes from putting 4.3.4 on an enterprise product and we don't want to maintain two 4.3 codebases, but we're confident that this is a good thing for openSUSE users, because: - 4.3.4 has 2 months' more upstream bugfixing in it, compared to 4.3.1. This includes a major Plasma performance bug fix. - 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages. - having 4.3.4 on an enterprise product gives us additional reasons (customers' money!) to fix bugs in it, benefitting openSUSE users too. - We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but: - 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates - we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs - other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop. The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it. Season's greetings! Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Saturday 05 December 2009 10:16:27 schrieb Will Stephenson:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
I'll be straight with you; the impetus for doing this comes from putting 4.3.4 on an enterprise product and we don't want to maintain two 4.3 codebases, but we're confident that this is a good thing for openSUSE users, because:
- 4.3.4 has 2 months' more upstream bugfixing in it, compared to 4.3.1. This includes a major Plasma performance bug fix.
- 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages.
- having 4.3.4 on an enterprise product gives us additional reasons (customers' money!) to fix bugs in it, benefitting openSUSE users too.
- We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but:
- 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates
- we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs
- other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well
We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it.
Season's greetings!
Will
-- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex
Great idea. Will this 4.3.4 Version be fixed at some time (only one time synced with KDE:43) meaning still to use KDE43 repo for getting bugfixes from upstream? Or is the plan to wait so long, 4.3.4 upstream is closed? Daniel
Lørdag den 5. december 2009 10:32:50 skrev Daniel Fuhrmann:
Am Saturday 05 December 2009 10:16:27 schrieb Will Stephenson:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. > Great idea.
Will this 4.3.4 Version be fixed at some time (only one time synced with KDE:43) meaning still to use KDE43 repo for getting bugfixes from upstream? Or is the plan to wait so long, 4.3.4 upstream is closed?
There won't be more 4.3.x releases from upstream. So I guess the KDE:43 repo will become obsolete, and should be shut down. Which would be an additional advantage of doing the update. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag 05 Dezember 2009 11:28:55 schrieb Martin Schlander:
There won't be more 4.3.x releases from upstream.
The 4.3.x branch will stay active, however. Even 4.1 and 4.2 are still active. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 December 2009, Martin Schlander wrote:
Lørdag den 5. december 2009 10:32:50 skrev Daniel Fuhrmann:
Am Saturday 05 December 2009 10:16:27 schrieb Will Stephenson:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. >
Great idea.
Will this 4.3.4 Version be fixed at some time (only one time synced with KDE:43) meaning still to use KDE43 repo for getting bugfixes from upstream? Or is the plan to wait so long, 4.3.4 upstream is closed?
There won't be more 4.3.x releases from upstream. So I guess the KDE:43 repo will become obsolete, and should be shut down. Which would be an additional advantage of doing the update.
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos? thanks -- dh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, David Herman wrote:
So what effect should we expect in the openSUSE 11.1 repos?
The online update will be only for 11.2. If you want KDE 4.3.4 on 11.1, you'll have to explicitly use KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 972 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Il sabato 05 dicembre 2009, Will Stephenson scrisse:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version. Great!
- we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs For sure 4.3.4 is better then 4.3.1.
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Yey! I think that is a very good move and I hope it will be evaluated to see if that makes sense for later releases as well, if the KDE project follows it's own versioning scheme it should be very safe anyways. Karsten Am Samstag, 5. Dezember 2009 10:16:27 schrieb Will Stephenson:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
I'll be straight with you; the impetus for doing this comes from putting 4.3.4 on an enterprise product and we don't want to maintain two 4.3 codebases, but we're confident that this is a good thing for openSUSE users, because:
- 4.3.4 has 2 months' more upstream bugfixing in it, compared to 4.3.1. This includes a major Plasma performance bug fix.
- 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages.
- having 4.3.4 on an enterprise product gives us additional reasons (customers' money!) to fix bugs in it, benefitting openSUSE users too.
- We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but:
- 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates
- we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs
- other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well
We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it.
Season's greetings!
Will
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On Saturday 05 December 2009, 10:16:27 Will Stephenson wrote:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
Will, I'm glad to hear that. IMHO, the KDE:KDE4: projects are _way_ too fragmented anyway (IOW: while trying to escape from dependency hell, it stumbled straight into repository hell!). Hence, any consolidation is good for all of us. While at it, you might consider changing the title of KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop accordingly. Thanks, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
On Saturday 05 December 2009, 10:16:27 Will Stephenson wrote:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
Will, I'm glad to hear that.
IMHO, the KDE:KDE4: projects are _way_ too fragmented anyway (IOW: while trying to escape from dependency hell, it stumbled straight into repository hell!). Hence, any consolidation is good for all of us.
I don't know what you mean with repository hell. Just use one of the STABLE,Factory,UNSTABLE repos depending on has stable KDE you want[*] and that's it. But, as for consolidation, this change probably means that KDE:43 will be dropped as superfluous and we'll back back to only these 3 repos for the foreseeable future.
While at it, you might consider changing the title of KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop accordingly.
There hasn't been any change that would justify this - STABLE is still the KDE version shipped with the last openSUSE release. [*] http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 972 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 06 December 2009, 11:52:51 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
On Saturday 05 December 2009, 10:16:27 Will Stephenson wrote:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
Will, I'm glad to hear that.
IMHO, the KDE:KDE4: projects are _way_ too fragmented anyway (IOW: while trying to escape from dependency hell, it stumbled straight into repository hell!). Hence, any consolidation is good for all of us.
I don't know what you mean with repository hell. Just use one of the STABLE,Factory,UNSTABLE repos depending on has stable KDE you want[*] and that's it.
I mean: repositories/KDE:/ 42/ # okay, now empty 43/ # obsoleted KDE4:/ STABLE: UNSTABLE: Factory: As long as KDE:/42 and KDE:/43 vanish, KDE:/KDE4 looks fine again. I admit, I mixed it up with the KDE:/Qt* mess.
But, as for consolidation, this change probably means that KDE:43 will be dropped as superfluous and we'll back back to only these 3 repos for the foreseeable future.
While at it, you might consider changing the title of KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop accordingly.
There hasn't been any change that would justify this - STABLE is still the KDE version shipped with the last openSUSE release.
I mean the title, that is editable via [Edit Project Information] on the project page in BS, that still states: "KDE 4.3.1 packages" and that gets: name=KDE 4.3.1 packages (openSUSE_11.1) in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3A/KDE4%3A/STABLE%3A/Desktop/o... on the 11.1 case. Just cosmetics. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 06 of December 2009, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
On Sunday 06 December 2009, 11:52:51 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Saturday 05 of December 2009, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
While at it, you might consider changing the title of KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop accordingly.
There hasn't been any change that would justify this - STABLE is still the KDE version shipped with the last openSUSE release.
I mean the title, that is editable via [Edit Project Information] on the project page in BS, that still states: "KDE 4.3.1 packages" and that gets:
name=KDE 4.3.1 packages (openSUSE_11.1)
Fixed, thanks. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 084 672 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 06/12/09 14:06, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
I mean:
repositories/KDE:/ 42/ # okay, now empty 43/ # obsoleted KDE4:/ STABLE: UNSTABLE: Factory:
After reading this thread, I thought that I would swap KDE:43 for KDE:KDE4:STABLE as it includes 4.3.x packages and would be better supported in the long-run. However, KDE:43 has Amarok 2.2 wheras KDE:KDE4:STABLE has Amarok 2.1, and I found that I had to start with a fresh database because the newer database version could not be used with the older Amarok version. I found amarok 2.2 in another repo - KDE:Backports. Is this safe to use? At present I have the following KDE repos: KDE:KDE4:Community KDE:KDE4:Playground KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop Regards, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Mandag den 7. december 2009 20:06:52 skrev Chris Hills:
After reading this thread, I thought that I would swap KDE:43 for KDE:KDE4:STABLE as it includes 4.3.x packages and would be better supported in the long-run. However, KDE:43 has Amarok 2.2 wheras KDE:KDE4:STABLE has Amarok 2.1, and I found that I had to start with a fresh database because the newer database version could not be used with the older Amarok version.
I found amarok 2.2 in another repo - KDE:Backports. Is this safe to use?
At present I have the following KDE repos:
KDE:KDE4:Community KDE:KDE4:Playground KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop
KDE:Backports should be safe with >= 4.3.1 because of forward compatibility. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 07/12/09 22:45, Martin Schlander wrote:
KDE:Backports should be safe with >= 4.3.1 because of forward compatibility.
Thanks Martin, I added the repo, upgraded, and so far so good :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Hans-Peter Jansen <hpj@urpla.net> wrote:
I mean:
repositories/KDE:/ 42/ # okay, now empty 43/ # obsoleted KDE4:/ STABLE: UNSTABLE: Factory:
As long as KDE:/42 and KDE:/43 vanish, KDE:/KDE4 looks fine again.
Can we use this as an opportunity to get rid of KDE:/42 and KDE:/43 and put future 4x/ directories in KDE:/KDE4? So I mean instead of KDE:/44 we use KDE:/KDE4:/KDE44? The lack of consistency in the directory is what annoys me, rather than the number of versions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 05/12/09 20:16, Will Stephenson wrote:
The KDE and maintenance teams are taking the unprecedented step of a point release update to KDE SC 4.3.4 in our 'STABLE' repository and from then as an online update to 11.2. Normally we don't do version updates in online updates, preferring to backport patches to the released version.
Will, what is the status of this move, please? BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 17 December 2009, Basil Chupin wrote:
Will, what is the status of this move, please?
There are a few regressions to fix before teh 11.2 update will be started. so work in progress. Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 03/01/10 00:47, Dirk Müller wrote:
On Thursday 17 December 2009, Basil Chupin wrote:
Will, what is the status of this move, please?
There are a few regressions to fix before teh 11.2 update will be started. so work in progress.
Greetings, Dirk
Thank you! BC -- I don't like water because of the things fish do in it. W C Fields -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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