[opensuse-kde] Timeframe for Plasma5
Hey, I am a newcomer to OpenSUSE because of the problems I have been having with Plasma 5 (crashes, freezing, etc.) OpenSUSE is still using KDE4, so I switched. I am typically not a bleeding edge type user (particularly when it gets in my way at work). So, what's the road map to the implementation to Plasma so I can be ready for all the problems I have just had and finally gotten out of? -e The information contained in this transmission contains privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. CAUTION: Intended recipients should NOT use email communication for emergent or urgent health care matters. N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�� {맲��r��z�^�ˬz��N�(�֜��^� ޭ隊Z)z{.�� {�0�����Ǩ�
In data giovedì 12 novembre 2015 12:40:09 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto: Hello,
having with Plasma 5 (crashes, freezing, etc.) OpenSUSE is still using KDE4, so I switched. I am typically not a bleeding edge type user
This is not true anymore since of openSUSE Leap. openSUSE Tumbleweed also migrated to Plasma 5 months ago.
So, what's the road map to the implementation to Plasma so I can be ready for all the problems I have just had and finally gotten out of?
It has already been put into the distro. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: A29D259B
Thanks for the prompt reply. I am going to stay with OpenSUSE, since the problems have been resolved. Besides, I don't feel like switching back to the other distro. What version of the OpenSUSE distro is the fixed Plasma5? -e On 11/12/15 07:48, Luca Beltrame wrote:
In data giovedì 12 novembre 2015 12:40:09 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto:
Hello,
having with Plasma 5 (crashes, freezing, etc.) OpenSUSE is still using KDE4, so I switched. I am typically not a bleeding edge type user
This is not true anymore since of openSUSE Leap. openSUSE Tumbleweed also migrated to Plasma 5 months ago.
So, what's the road map to the implementation to Plasma so I can be ready for all the problems I have just had and finally gotten out of?
It has already been put into the distro.
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In data giovedì 12 novembre 2015 13:07:04 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto:
problems have been resolved. Besides, I don't feel like switching back to the other distro. What version of the OpenSUSE distro is the fixed Plasma5?
Leap currently has 5.4.2 (5.4.3 will be submitted as an update). -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: A29D259B
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:08:40 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data giovedì 12 novembre 2015 13:07:04 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto:
problems have been resolved. Besides, I don't feel like switching back to the other distro. What version of the OpenSUSE distro is the fixed Plasma5?
Leap currently has 5.4.2 (5.4.3 will be submitted as an update).
And just to be clear here: What openSUSE version did you actually install? If it's 13.1 or 13.2, you won't be switched to Plasma 5 automatically as long as you stay with that distribution version. 13.2 does come with an earlier version of Plasma 5 (5.3.2), but you'd have to actively switch to it. Or you can install the latest one from additional repos. But the default in 13.2 and 13.1 is KDE4, and that won't change. OTOH, as mentioned, Leap 42.1 and Tumbleweed use Plasma 5 by default, and it is not (easily) possible to go back to KDE4. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
The version I have on my machine at home is the one with KDE4. Plasma freezing/crashing, etc put me off KF5/Plasma5 and I jumped ship from my old distro to OpenSUSE (with KDE4). Plus the missing system tray and klipper (plasmoid?) security issue, was another frustration (I can live with that though). If the crashing/freezing has been resolved in Leap then I will give that a go on my work machine and migrate. I am currently using LxQT and would like to go back to KDE. -e On 11/12/15 08:44, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:08:40 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data giovedì 12 novembre 2015 13:07:04 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto:
problems have been resolved. Besides, I don't feel like switching back to the other distro. What version of the OpenSUSE distro is the fixed Plasma5?
Leap currently has 5.4.2 (5.4.3 will be submitted as an update).
And just to be clear here: What openSUSE version did you actually install?
If it's 13.1 or 13.2, you won't be switched to Plasma 5 automatically as long as you stay with that distribution version. 13.2 does come with an earlier version of Plasma 5 (5.3.2), but you'd have to actively switch to it. Or you can install the latest one from additional repos.
But the default in 13.2 and 13.1 is KDE4, and that won't change.
OTOH, as mentioned, Leap 42.1 and Tumbleweed use Plasma 5 by default, and it is not (easily) possible to go back to KDE4.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
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Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:29:19 schrieb Emilio Recio:
The version I have on my machine at home is the one with KDE4. Plasma freezing/crashing, etc put me off KF5/Plasma5 and I jumped ship from my old distro to OpenSUSE (with KDE4).
So again, if you installed the openSUSE with KDE4 (13.2 probably?), your system will not be switched to Plasma5 automatically (unless you installed Tumbleweed, the rolling distribution). If you (manually) upgrade to Leap you will be switched though, because it comes with Plasma 5 as only KDE desktop. Btw, you can find out which distribution and version you use by looking into the file /etc/os-release, or running "lsb-release -d". KInfocenter should tell you too...
Plus the missing system tray and klipper (plasmoid?) security issue, was another frustration (I can live with that though).
The "missing system tray" (it is not missing, it just doesn't support old- style XEmbed icons) should be fixed. But there still is a problem with sometimes (randomly) missing icons/applets as of 5.4.2 (IIRC this is actually a new problem that started in 5.4). I don't think 5.4.3 contains a fix for this either (haven't installed that yet though). The clipboard plasmoid can be disabled, and should not be a "security issue" then.
If the crashing/freezing has been resolved in Leap then I will give that a go on my work machine and migrate. I am currently using LxQT and would like to go back to KDE.
Why don't you use 13.2 with KDE4 then? There never was a general crashing/freezing problem in Plasma 5 or Leap. If you have one, it's likely related to your hardware (graphics driver in particular). So hard to say if it is "resolved in Leap". You'd have to try yourself. (unfortunately there are no LiveCDs availabled) Depending on your particular graphics card, it might also help if you installed a proprietary graphics driver (nvidia or fglrx). I never had (and still don't have) such a problem here on my two 13.2 systems (one radeon, one intel), not even with the first 5.0 Beta versions. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Thanks for your reply... my graphics card where plasma5 kept (and still is) crashing is: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) On 11/13/15 05:29, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:29:19 schrieb Emilio Recio:
The version I have on my machine at home is the one with KDE4. Plasma freezing/crashing, etc put me off KF5/Plasma5 and I jumped ship from my old distro to OpenSUSE (with KDE4).
So again, if you installed the openSUSE with KDE4 (13.2 probably?), your system will not be switched to Plasma5 automatically (unless you installed Tumbleweed, the rolling distribution).
If you (manually) upgrade to Leap you will be switched though, because it comes with Plasma 5 as only KDE desktop.
Btw, you can find out which distribution and version you use by looking into the file /etc/os-release, or running "lsb-release -d". KInfocenter should tell you too...
Plus the missing system tray and klipper (plasmoid?) security issue, was another frustration (I can live with that though).
The "missing system tray" (it is not missing, it just doesn't support old- style XEmbed icons) should be fixed. But there still is a problem with sometimes (randomly) missing icons/applets as of 5.4.2 (IIRC this is actually a new problem that started in 5.4). I don't think 5.4.3 contains a fix for this either (haven't installed that yet though).
The clipboard plasmoid can be disabled, and should not be a "security issue" then.
If the crashing/freezing has been resolved in Leap then I will give that a go on my work machine and migrate. I am currently using LxQT and would like to go back to KDE.
Why don't you use 13.2 with KDE4 then?
There never was a general crashing/freezing problem in Plasma 5 or Leap. If you have one, it's likely related to your hardware (graphics driver in particular). So hard to say if it is "resolved in Leap". You'd have to try yourself. (unfortunately there are no LiveCDs availabled)
Depending on your particular graphics card, it might also help if you installed a proprietary graphics driver (nvidia or fglrx).
I never had (and still don't have) such a problem here on my two 13.2 systems (one radeon, one intel), not even with the first 5.0 Beta versions.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
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* Emilio Recio
Thanks for your reply...
my graphics card where plasma5 kept (and still is) crashing is:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
On 11/13/15 05:29, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:29:19 schrieb Emilio Recio:
The version I have on my machine at home is the one with KDE4. Plasma freezing/crashing, etc put me off KF5/Plasma5 and I jumped ship from my old distro to OpenSUSE (with KDE4).
So again, if you installed the openSUSE with KDE4 (13.2 probably?), your system will not be switched to Plasma5 automatically (unless you installed Tumbleweed, the rolling distribution).
If you (manually) upgrade to Leap you will be switched though, because it comes with Plasma 5 as only KDE desktop.
Btw, you can find out which distribution and version you use by looking into the file /etc/os-release, or running "lsb-release -d". KInfocenter should tell you too...
Plus the missing system tray and klipper (plasmoid?) security issue, was another frustration (I can live with that though).
The "missing system tray" (it is not missing, it just doesn't support old- style XEmbed icons) should be fixed. But there still is a problem with sometimes (randomly) missing icons/applets as of 5.4.2 (IIRC this is actually a new problem that started in 5.4). I don't think 5.4.3 contains a fix for this either (haven't installed that yet though).
The clipboard plasmoid can be disabled, and should not be a "security issue" then.
If the crashing/freezing has been resolved in Leap then I will give that a go on my work machine and migrate. I am currently using LxQT and would like to go back to KDE.
Why don't you use 13.2 with KDE4 then?
There never was a general crashing/freezing problem in Plasma 5 or Leap. If you have one, it's likely related to your hardware (graphics driver in particular). So hard to say if it is "resolved in Leap". You'd have to try yourself. (unfortunately there are no LiveCDs availabled)
Depending on your particular graphics card, it might also help if you installed a proprietary graphics driver (nvidia or fglrx).
I never had (and still don't have) such a problem here on my two 13.2 systems (one radeon, one intel), not even with the first 5.0 Beta versions.
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
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But what version???? Leap, Tumbleweed, 13.1, 13,2, some other Please be *specific* -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 13. November 2015, 14:52:45 schrieb Emilio Recio:
Thanks for your reply...
my graphics card where plasma5 kept (and still is) crashing is:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
There were/are problems with the intel driver (because of a bug in the driver). Have a look here, maybe it would help to switch the acceleration method to the older (but more stable) UXA: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=127575 Of course I don't know whether this bug was really the reason for your crashes or not... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
I already did that. :( On 11/13/15 18:09, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Freitag, 13. November 2015, 14:52:45 schrieb Emilio Recio:
Thanks for your reply...
my graphics card where plasma5 kept (and still is) crashing is:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
There were/are problems with the intel driver (because of a bug in the driver). Have a look here, maybe it would help to switch the acceleration method to the older (but more stable) UXA: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=127575
Of course I don't know whether this bug was really the reason for your crashes or not...
Kind Regards, Wolfgang
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On 13/11/15 01:29, Emilio Recio wrote:
The version I have on my machine at home is the one with KDE4. Plasma freezing/crashing, etc put me off KF5/Plasma5 and I jumped ship from my old distro to OpenSUSE (with KDE4). Plus the missing system tray and klipper (plasmoid?) security issue, was another frustration (I can live with that though).
If the crashing/freezing has been resolved in Leap then I will give that a go on my work machine and migrate. I am currently using LxQT and would like to go back to KDE.
I would strongly suggest that you install and use openSUSE 13.2 with KDE (which is v 4.14.9) on your *work* *machine* and do not mess around with Leap or even Tumbleweed. openSUSE 13.2 [##] has been around for 12 months and is a known product, solid, no nonsense sensible version. On the other hand, Leap 42.1 has just been released and is still being "bedded in". Tumbleweed is a moving target almost from day to day. Now, if you are really keen on trying out either Leap or Tumbleweed then install either or both on a test machine and get used to it/them until Leap has finally been "bedded" or you are happy with it being used on your work machine. I use openSUSE 13.2 on my "work machine" but have Leap and Tumbleweed installed on a laptop out of curiosity about how each behaves and looks. [##] The only hassle with installing 13.2 as a clean install from a DVD is that when the DVD boots and you select the "Installation" option from the menu you must enter "nomodeset" on the kernel command line before pressing <RETURN>. Not doing the "nomodeset" thing will have you sitting in front of your computer wondering why nothing is happening :-) . But type "nomodeset" and the kernel will instantly start to load and the installation process begin :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/11/15 00:44, Wolfgang Bauer wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 12. November 2015, 14:08:40 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
In data gioved� 12 novembre 2015 13:07:04 CET, Emilio Recio ha scritto:
problems have been resolved. Besides, I don't feel like switching back to the other distro. What version of the OpenSUSE distro is the fixed Plasma5? Leap currently has 5.4.2 (5.4.3 will be submitted as an update). And just to be clear here: What openSUSE version did you actually install?
If it's 13.1 or 13.2, you won't be switched to Plasma 5 automatically as long as you stay with that distribution version. 13.2 does come with an earlier version of Plasma 5 (5.3.2), but you'd have to actively switch to it. Or you can install the latest one from additional repos.
But the default in 13.2 and 13.1 is KDE4, and that won't change.
OTOH, as mentioned, Leap 42.1 and Tumbleweed use Plasma 5 by default, and it is not (easily) possible to go back to KDE4.
Oh lordy - a glimmer, but nevertheless a glimmer, of hope: "...it is not (easily) possible to go back to KDE4."! Not 'easily' but it is possible. Can you tell me how, please? Pretty please :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin composed on 2015-11-18 16:03 (UTC+1100):
Oh lordy - a glimmer, but nevertheless a glimmer, of hope: "...it is not (easily) possible to go back to KDE4."! Not 'easily' but it is possible. Can you tell me how, please? Pretty please :-) .
I prevent upgrade from 4 to 5 by locking out kde-oxygen-fonts and breeze*. In TW you could try 'zypper rm kde-oxygen-fonts breeze*', or reinstall minimal, set locks on those, then selectively add known required KDE packages and their deps. If that fails, go back to KDE3, or to TDE. :-D -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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