RE: [opensuse-kde] OpenSUSE 13.2?
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Von: Emilio Recio Gesendet: Mi. 13.01.2016 15:21 An: opensuse-kde , Betreff: [opensuse-kde] OpenSUSE 13.2?
How long is this version supported? I really don't want to go to Leap just yet due to 1) my experiences with plasma5/kf5 crashing and 2) all the other scary stories I hear around the new KDE and 3) system tray missing.
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Von: Emilio Recio Gesendet: Mi. 13.01.2016 15:21 An: opensuse-kde , Betreff: [opensuse-kde] OpenSUSE 13.2?
How long is this version supported? I really don't want to go to Leap just yet due to 1) my experiences with plasma5/kf5 crashing and 2) all the other scary stories I hear around the new KDE and 3) system tray missing.
a) what version of kde with plasma 5 did you use. To get an idea about plasma 5 you can use a virtualized leap. The integration for 13.2 was far from perfect and the official version was not plasma 5 but that was more a technology preview. b) what are "all the other scary stories". This is a quite astonishing affirmation. In the first 6 month of any distribution I know, a lot of issues come up. Always. This is due to very personal usage patterns. You may or may not be hit by one of this bugs. This is what release notes are for. They can and should be read BEFORE ANY installation. 90% of the time it iwll not be pertinent to your usage case. So what you write there is really from my point of view a gratuitous FUD. c) system tray is not missing. There are several workaround and patches. I did not find any "system tray missing" here on my notebook. With very few exceptions it works even now better with leap then with 13.2. You may have several issues when doing a new install of 13.2. So if you are installing for the first time: use leap, it is, in my experience right now, absolutely reliable even for mission critical stuff. This is particularly true for first time install because the brand new installation do not have ANY migration issues, yeeeehaaa! So all your scares are gone to a 50% at once. A lot of crashes can come from old system files hanging around. To get an idea when using plasma 5 try to use a brand new user to see if those crashes are migration related. Video drivers: ATI opensource and closed source drivers are good Nvidia: in my experience the noveau are problematic since 4,1 but that should not hit you with leap. Proprietary ones are good. Intel: there are some issues with dolphin crashing. Particularly if using the i915 chipset, like my X201. Still working with leap is enjoyable currently. Yes I did report quite some bugs but nearly all if not all are annoyances. Non of them AFAIR are showstoppers. There are a lot o false stories about leap that I would like to dismantle here and now. Notably: IT IS NOT TRUE that using Leap - you are loosing your hair (not even puberty hair, not true really). - you are getting peritonitis or emphysema (I swear, that is dead wrong). - it does allow you to see the future nor do you see ghosts. (Not true, no "ring" is seen either and the telephone does not ring after seeing the desktop). If you tell us your hardware setting an your exact issue you will find a solution. and a lot of things are there (especially Libreoffice) that work better in leap than in 13.2 --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
You know, I haven't thought about this idea. Since I am installing from
scratch /anyway/ (with /home saved to external) I will install Leap and
give that a spin. I am using standard intel on-board stuff i915 video
card. I remember the upgrade from KDE3->4 and that's what I mean, It was
all cosmetic... annoying, but usable. Plasma5 keeps crashing randomly.
Konsole keeps locking up randomly. As far as scary stories, I wrote a
small dissertation, before I gave up. "Scary stories" are confirmations
from the buzilla reports of problems that /I/ have had... at least under
Fedora so like I said above, I will check out leap, since it's tabula rasa
anyways.
On 2016-01-13, 9:54, "stakanov@freenet.de"
You may have several issues when doing a new install of 13.2. So if you are installing for the first time: use leap, it is, in my experience right now, absolutely reliable even for mission critical stuff. This is particularly true for first time install because the brand new installation do not have ANY migration issues, yeeeehaaa! So all your scares are gone to a 50% at once.
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stakanov@freenet.de composed on 2016-01-13 15:54 (UTC+0100):
Emilio Recio composed: ... I have had to switch from Fedora to OpenSUSE because plasma keeps crashing ... How long is this version supported? I really don't want to go to Leap just yet due to 1) my experiences with plasma5/kf5 crashing and 2) all the other scary stories I hear around the new KDE and 3) system tray missing.
a) what version of kde with plasma 5 did you use. To get an idea about plasma 5 you can use a virtualized leap. The integration for 13.2 was far from perfect and the official version was not plasma 5 but that was more a technology preview.
Rawhide as of yesterday has kernel 4.4.0 and plasma 5.5.3 Fedora 23 as of yesterday has kernel 4.3.3 and plasma 5.5.3 Fedora 23 was released in November with kernel 4.2.3 and plasma 5.4.2 Fedora 22 as of today has kernel 4.2.8 and plasma 5.5.1 Fedora 22 was released in May with kernel 4.0.4 and plasma 5.3.0 Fedora has earned its categorization as bleeding edge for good reason. Its users are subjected to significant and frequent version upgrades. Latest amounts to a rolling release, with latest-1 not far behind, with latest-2 dropped from support only a month after release of latest.
b) what are "all the other scary stories". This is a quite astonishing affirmation. In the first 6 month of any distribution I know, a lot of issues come up.
In Fedora, approximately every 6 months a new version is released. Issues are constantly coming up. If you wish to know about scary stories in Fedora, you need simply peruse its mailing list archives. Its bug tracker provides additional proof. I just searched there for any of the words "crash segfault segment" for open kf5-plasma, plasma-breeze, plasma-desktop, plasma-nm, plasma-oxygen, plasma-systemsettings, plasma-workspace F23 bugs. 65 were returned. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/01/16 09:28 AM, Emilio Recio wrote:
You know, I haven't thought about this idea. Since I am installing from scratch /anyway/ (with /home saved to external) I will install Leap and give that a spin. I am using standard intel on-board stuff i915 video card. I remember the upgrade from KDE3->4 and that's what I mean, It was all cosmetic... annoying, but usable. Plasma5 keeps crashing randomly. Konsole keeps locking up randomly. As far as scary stories, I wrote a small dissertation, before I gave up. "Scary stories" are confirmations from the buzilla reports of problems that /I/ have had... at least under Fedora so like I said above, I will check out leap, since it's tabula rasa anyways.
I suspect the problems you have had are migration issues, as someone suggested. I have done a clean install of Leap, and migrated *none* of my old KDE settings -- just a few essential things, such as Seamonkey setup and data files, and other applications config files. I have had no issues with Plasma5, except for things that have changed, and I don't like the changes ;) (The new calendar associated with the digital clock, for example, is bloody useless -- I can get more information from a calendar that I can hang on my wall.) I do not believe you will have any problems either doing a clean install, unless you accidentally copy over some old KDE settings file that somehow conflicts with something in the new version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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