[opensuse-kde] Vanilla KDE in OpenSuse
I have been using another KDE distro for some time (Kubuntu). I will probably be back on OpenSuse 11.3 comes out, but I would like to have KDE as close to vanilla KDE as possible. Is this easily done in OpenSuse? How? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
2010/3/3 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>:
I have been using another KDE distro for some time (Kubuntu). I will probably be back on OpenSuse 11.3 comes out, but I would like to have KDE as close to vanilla KDE as possible. Is this easily done in OpenSuse? How?
Thanks.
-- Dotan Cohen
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Hi, Basically replace the *-branding-openSUSE packages you have installed with *-branding-upstream ones. Or install using the KDE Four Live CDs which are contain this packages (http://home.kde.org/~kdelive/) Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Basically replace the *-branding-openSUSE packages you have installed with *-branding-upstream ones. Or install using the KDE Four Live CDs which are contain this packages (http://home.kde.org/~kdelive/)
Thanks, Luiz! I remember that project, I thought it was gone. Is that viable as a working distro now? I remember that it was once mentioned that it is good for testing KDE, but not for using as a regular distro. Or am I confusing it with KDE Nightly? -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
2010/3/3 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>:
Basically replace the *-branding-openSUSE packages you have installed with *-branding-upstream ones. Or install using the KDE Four Live CDs which are contain this packages (http://home.kde.org/~kdelive/)
Thanks, Luiz! I remember that project, I thought it was gone.
Is that viable as a working distro now? I remember that it was once mentioned that it is good for testing KDE, but not for using as a regular distro. Or am I confusing it with KDE Nightly?
-- Dotan Cohen
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If I'm not wrong is the regular distro (11.2) + updates + openSUSE KDE Factory repository (the KDE for the new openSUSE release), so its not that safe as the KDE Stable repository but its not unsafe as the KDE Unstable one ;-) http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4 Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 20:00:10 Dotan Cohen wrote:
Basically replace the *-branding-openSUSE packages you have installed with *-branding-upstream ones. Or install using the KDE Four Live CDs which are contain this packages (http://home.kde.org/~kdelive/)
Thanks, Luiz! I remember that project, I thought it was gone.
Is that viable as a working distro now? I remember that it was once mentioned that it is good for testing KDE, but not for using as a regular distro. Or am I confusing it with KDE Nightly?
I've just relaunched it: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4176 It is the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop packages on 11.2 with all online updates applied, and all the branding swapped out to upstream defaults. Note that this is only a visual change. The functional patches, such as they are, are still present. PS Who wants to help maintain it now? Most of the time it requires only patience and attention to detail, over programming or packaging skills. I am stronger in the latter categories, as my wife can attest. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 03 März 2010 20:40:30 schrieb Will Stephenson:
It is the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop packages on 11.2 with all online updates applied, and all the branding swapped out to upstream defaults. Note that this is only a visual change. The functional patches, such as they are, are still present.
PS Who wants to help maintain it now? Most of the time it requires only patience and attention to detail, over programming or packaging skills. I am stronger in the latter categories, as my wife can attest.
Just a few comments for a future release: - virtualbox-ose-kmp-default AFAIK doesn't make sense without VirtualBox installed (the usable stuff for being a VBox client OS is AFAIK in the Xorg package). - "kde4-webkitpart" is the old one. It has been renamed to kwebkitpart (that it even made it onto the live CD could be related to bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578918 ) - A audio CD player (KsCD) really makes no sense on a live CD, because the drive is occupied by the live CD and only very few people have more than one drive. - VIM doesn't really make sense to be shipped by default in any distro. Nano is available as fall-back console editor and whoever wants VIM can install it. - Space freed by leaving VIM out could be used by KDE apps that are currently in Playground or Review (eg. Rekonq or Kahjong) Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 22:57:28 Markus wrote:
Just a few comments for a future release: Hi Markus, thanks for reviewing this!
- virtualbox-ose-kmp-default AFAIK doesn't make sense without VirtualBox installed (the usable stuff for being a VBox client OS is AFAIK in the Xorg package).
Fixed, thanks.
- "kde4-webkitpart" is the old one. It has been renamed to kwebkitpart (that it even made it onto the live CD could be related to bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578918 )
Fixed - this was just a screwup, the kde4-webkitpart version was explicitly installed.
- A audio CD player (KsCD) really makes no sense on a live CD, because the drive is occupied by the live CD and only very few people have more than one drive.
Consider Live USB. Although CDs are arguably a legacy format, and KsCD's KDE 4 UI was horrible the last time I looked.
- VIM doesn't really make sense to be shipped by default in any distro. Nano is available as fall-back console editor and whoever wants VIM can install it.
- Space freed by leaving VIM out could be used by KDE apps that are currently in Playground or Review (eg. Rekonq or Kahjong)
vim is 2.1 MB installed - almost all KDE games are larger, for example, so I consider dropping vim to be an over-optimisation. I would like to get rekonq on the image, but I'm an bit leery of including KDE:KDE4:Community packages yet as it changes the 'trust' of the image. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 04 März 2010 10:50:47 schrieb Will Stephenson:
vim is 2.1 MB installed - almost all KDE games are larger, for example, so I consider dropping vim to be an over-optimisation.
There's a German saying "Kleinvieh macht auch Mist" ("Flock also produces droppings", meaning that even little things stack up to a big pile), but dropping vim from the default install is IMO a general SUSE thing, because I personally don't see the need for a development tool in the default install.
I would like to get rekonq on the image, but I'm an bit leery of including KDE:KDE4:Community packages yet as it changes the 'trust' of the image.
Isn't the main goal to showcase KDE applications? I don't know about every single package in Community, but at least Rekonq is stable. Just don't forget to package the language files (there is currently no rekonq-lang and even k3b- lang is vastly outdated https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581598 ) Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
- VIM doesn't really make sense to be shipped by default in any distro. Nano is available as fall-back console editor and whoever wants VIM can install it.
- Space freed by leaving VIM out could be used by KDE apps that are currently in Playground or Review (eg. Rekonq or Kahjong)
vim is 2.1 MB installed - almost all KDE games are larger, for example, so I consider dropping vim to be an over-optimisation. I would like to get rekonq on the image, but I'm an bit leery of including KDE:KDE4:Community packages yet as it changes the 'trust' of the image.
Even though I am not a big VIM user, it is a very small, versatile tool and is known to be found on almost every Linux out there by default. I would rather you remove cd, ls, and cat before you remove VIM. I'm not kidding, if I have to text console into the system, I am doing so to edit files, and I can navigate the filesystem from within VIM. Leave it there. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 of March 2010, Luiz Fernando Ranghetti wrote:
2010/3/3 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>:
I have been using another KDE distro for some time (Kubuntu). I will probably be back on OpenSuse 11.3 comes out, but I would like to have KDE as close to vanilla KDE as possible. Is this easily done in OpenSuse? How?
Basically replace the *-branding-openSUSE packages you have installed with *-branding-upstream ones. Or install using the KDE Four Live CDs which are contain this packages (http://home.kde.org/~kdelive/)
Note that even with the *-branding-upstream packages this is still not 100% pure upstream KDE, as the packages also include various patches. Some of them are fixes, some of them are adjustments needed for KDE working (better) on openSUSE and some of them are added features (although we lately keep the number of those low now). -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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