[opensuse-kde] Re: [kde] KDE 4.2.1 Apps Toolbar (Text frayed-out)
2009/3/30 Anne Wilson <cannewilson@googlemail.com>:
On Monday 30 March 2009 14:41:19 Jay Mistry wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Jay Mistry <jaylinux53@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:31 PM, James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org> wrote:
Jay Mistry wrote:
On most KDE 4 (eg Gwenview/KDE4, KSysGuard) applications, the toolbar (toolbar + icons) has the text cut-off (see the image of KSysGuard) attached or at link below [1]).
Not sure how they are "cut-off" since I can't really tell from the JPEG images. It is best to use a PNG image when you want a problem diagnosed.
-- JRT
Have uploaded 2 more images ([1] & [2]) (.png) that show the cut-off icons from Dolphin and Gwenview toolbars. They are at higher resolution, so it should be seen on these.
Correction: It is the _text_ under the icons that is cut-off (as mentioned in the OP). (Pl see the 2 images [1] & [2], after clicking on the (+) handle on the image to zoom-in)
Try making the Toolbar and Small fonts use a smaller one. The screenshot is slightly blurred, but that looks like a 9 - which is quick big.
Anne
Tried changing the font size (for Toolbars) from 9 to 8, but that also does not help.
Jay
[1] http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6421/kde421dolphintoolbarico.png [2] http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/267/kde521gwenviewtoolbaric.png
I still can't see problem with icon labels on the toolbar, in either one. Where exactly do you want us to look?
Anne
Ok, I am re-posting the same above 2 images ( [3] & [4] ), with the errant 'Text under the icons in the Toolbar' outlined by ellipse; again : _pl see at full (zoom=100%) magnification_. Look at the text underneath the toolbar icons - the upper part of the text under all the toolbar icons is cut-off - this happens for all apps run in KDE 4.2.1, even KDE 3.5 applications, such as Gwenview/KDE3. I don't think I will be able to do any better than this, image-hosting/editing-wise. And so, will just give up at this point, if there is no forthcoming solution. I can live with the slight cutting-off of the Toolbar icon text in KDE 4.2.1. Maybe it will be resolved in KDE 4.2.2 / 4.3.
Not sure how they are "cut-off" since I can't really tell from the JPEG images. It is best to use a PNG image when you want a problem diagnosed.
had you downloaded them and then seen at 100% zoom, it may have been clearer. Anyway, these 2 new ones are png and with a higher res of 1024 X 768. Jay [3] http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt183/zmdmw52/Linux_Screenshots/KDE_421_D... [4] http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt183/zmdmw52/Linux_Screenshots/KDE_421_G... -- Linux User 483705 (openSUSE 11.1, Fedora 10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 30 March 2009 10:57:27 am Jay Mistry wrote: ...
had you downloaded them and then seen at 100% zoom, it may have been clearer. Anyway, these 2 new ones are png and with a higher res of 1024 X 768.
The first problem for me wasn't image. Even in the worst quality I was able to see the problem. Bigger deal is that you post to 2 different forums and by now I have trouble to follow. Back to problem: That, characters with missing top, is a problem between KDE, X server and graphic card driver. I hope that you logged out from KDE and then back in after each change to xorg.conf. If you didn't logged out, then your X server is not restarted and then you can't see any change. To debug problem, it would be usefull to change driver to opensource one and see is problem still there. You can also try to change to the different font. It could be that some fonts are affected, other not. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote:
On Monday 30 March 2009 10:57:27 am Jay Mistry wrote: ...
had you downloaded them and then seen at 100% zoom, it may have been clearer. Anyway, these 2 new ones are png and with a higher res of 1024 X 768.
The first problem for me wasn't image. Even in the worst quality I was able to see the problem.
Bigger deal is that you post to 2 different forums and by now I have trouble to follow.
I was not sure whether the problem was with openSUSE or with KDE, hence mailed to both Mail Lists. And it has been fruitful because suggestions have come in from both Mail Lists. If you are subscribed to either of them, there should be not trouble following the thread.
Back to problem:
That, characters with missing top, is a problem between KDE, X server and graphic card driver.
I hope that you logged out from KDE and then back in after each change to xorg.conf. If you didn't logged out, then your X server is not restarted and then you can't see any change.
I re-started the system after making the changes, but still the font/text toolbar problem is as before. The present xorg.conf is at http://pastebin.ca/1377632.
To debug problem, it would be usefull to change driver to opensource one and see is problem still there.
You can also try to change to the different font. It could be that some fonts are affected, other not.
I was confused by your initial description - thinking that you meant that they were cut off horizontally. Now I see that you have lost the top row of pixels, or so, which is certainly not normal. Mine are all absolutely find. Could it be caused by the graphics driver? I don't know. What graphics card and driver are you using?
I use nvidia proprietary driver, but they are not the same :-) (I know it is obvious, but people do forget that sometimes).
I use a 17" (widescreen) Monitor (LG 177WSB) set at it's native resolution of 1440 X 900. And the nVidia Driver (180.29) for the nVidia GeForce 8400GS Graphics Card is 180.29 linux__:~ # rpm -qa | grep -i nvidia x11-video-nvidiaG02-180.29-0.1 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-pae-180.29_2.6.27.18_0.3-0.1 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-default-180.29_2.6.27.18_0.3-0.1
One last shot, perhaps the display size in xorg.conf is incorrect???
I don't think there's any problem with xorg.conf, since the display in KDE 3.5 and XFCE is fine.
From your images it seems like you have a font problem too.(?) I find it much harder to read than what i have here. Also your problem just may be originating from the theme you use. What widget and icon theme do you use? Could you set it to oxygen default and check again?
Currently, I am using: Style = QtCurve Icons = Mist Window Decoration = Redmond Gtk Styles & Fonts: Gtk Style = Qt Curve Gtk Fonts = (Use another font - Adobe Helvetica 8) I don't want to change to another icons theme (Oxygen) as in my experience it alters the other display settings as well & it is difficult to get back to the current scheme.
It appears that somehow you do not have wrapping for icon lables/text as you only get one line. I am still on 3.5 and get two lines wrapped, but not a third and see "cut-off" on the end of the second line, ie: xxx.....
I didn't see option for this in 'System Settings - Appearance' , where can this be altered ?
You can also try to change to the different font. It could be that some fonts are affected, other not. This appears to be a bug. However, I think that if you choose a font other than Helvetica that the problem will go away. Would you please try this?
This is what I am trying out just now-various fonts for the Toolbar (presently using 'Sans Serif 8' , no change in toolbar text. Thanks, Jay -- Linux User 483705 (openSUSE 11.1, Fedora 10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Jay, this is just about your mail list usage, I'll answer the technical par in another email. On Tuesday 31 March 2009 12:43:25 am Jay Mistry wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote: ...
Bigger deal is that you post to 2 different forums and by now I have trouble to follow.
I was not sure whether the problem was with openSUSE or with KDE, hence mailed to both Mail Lists. And it has been fruitful because suggestions have come in from both Mail Lists. If you are subscribed to either of them, there should be not trouble following the thread.
It is trouble Jay. First what you call thread is bunch of broken threads, not a single thread. I guess that you don't see any problems because: 1- posts from both lists are in your Inbox 2- threading is not turned on, so you see all posts as list of mails, instead connected by Message ID and References in a tree like structure where is possible to follow who replied to what. (That is the same problem I had once upon a time.) I use mail client, KMail. It can be used with GMail and setup is not very complicated. I keep mails sorted in folders by mail list. Threading never works when one mail is in opensuse and the other in kde folder. I do that because topics are not the same and mails should not be mixed. The opensuse-kde list is for problems with KDE on opensuse. The kde list on kde.org is about KDE alone, without openSUSE perks. When you see all mails a as list, and your answer is comming at the end, it looks good to you, but for everyone else it is a mess of broken threads, answers on wrong list, sumaries that quote everyone without referencing who said what. I found your answer to my posts posted to [kde] mail list. I'm only about month on KDE (kde@mail.kde.org). Before that I would consider you mails as very inconsiderate and ignore them. You get advice for free, but before you ask further you should do something with that advice, and tell us what you did and what was result. Posting answer in the way that we can't see it, is not good idea. Very soon people will start to ignore you posts. Also, I found answer to Boyd's mail from [kde] posted here on [opensuse-kde]. You can't assume that your choice of mail lists is universal. Next problem is that you answer to few people without referencing answers. See below: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RM> You can also try to change to the different font. It could be that some RM> fonts are affected, other not.
AW> I was confused by your initial description - thinking that you meant that AW> they were cut off horizontally. Now I see that you have lost the top row AW> of pixels, or so, which is certainly not normal. Mine are all absolutely AW> find. Could it be caused by the graphics driver? I don't know. What AW> graphics card and driver are you using?
RM> I use nvidia proprietary driver, but they are not the same :-) (I know it RM> is obvious, but people do forget that sometimes).
I use a 17" (widescreen) Monitor (LG 177WSB) set at it's native resolution of 1440 X 900.
And the nVidia Driver (180.29) for the nVidia GeForce 8400GS Graphics Card is 180.29 linux__:~ # rpm -qa | grep -i nvidia x11-video-nvidiaG02-180.29-0.1 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-pae-180.29_2.6.27.18_0.3-0.1 nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-default-180.29_2.6.27.18_0.3-0.1
PS > One last shot, perhaps the display size in xorg.conf is incorrect???
I don't think there's any problem with xorg.conf, since the display in KDE 3.5 and XFCE is fine.
This mix is not OK. I marked answers with RM, AW, PS, but that should not be necessary. The level of quotes implies the person, and same level (in this case > >) implies me. I did not say text marked with AW and PS. I wasn't confused with your initial post, as I've seen what is the problem. I did not propose that xorg.conf is problem, as I had no grounds to do so. How far problems with summarizing without reference can go see below. To whom you answer below? According to > > it is mine, but inspecting my mails it is not.
From your images it seems like you have a font problem too.(?) I find it much harder to read than what i have here. Also your problem just may be originating from the theme you use. What widget and icon theme do you use? Could you set it to oxygen default and check again?
While whoever that was has right that you theme is culprit for problem, it wasn't me. People that answering you do that for free, but with one caveat, everyone has to be attributed properly, for what he/she said. The easiest way is to answer to one mail at the time. That way every person knows what you did, and it will have your answer automaticly attached to proper place in message tree. To prevent messages to go in wrong place, don't crosspost. It is highly unpopular anywhere I'm subscribed. Post one message even if it is identical to each forum/mail list. That way you can use filters that will automatically send messages to folders that belong to that list and prevent you to answer in a wrong place. There is more rules that we would like to be followed, as it makes everyone's life easier: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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