which Mailing list header info makes "Reply to Mailing-list" work?
All, I use KMail, and the "Message > Reply Special > Reply to Mailing-list" function (shortcut "l" (ell)) works nicely for this list and many others to which I'm subscribed. However, for a couple of lists, the created reply contains the quoted message material, but the "To:" field is unpopulated (requiring some extra keystrokes in order to reply to just those lists). Could someone tell me (or point to where it's documented) which particular line or lines from the message header are being used by KMail (and presumably other mail readers) to create a Reply to Mailing-list? A friend is hosting one of the broken lists, and I'd like to let her know how to fix hers. Of course, she's using Yahoo-lists, so she might not have that kind of control available to her, but she could still submit a request to the masters at Yahoo... I've visually compared headers and I do see plenty of differences, it's just that I'm not sure which differences are important to this particular function. (Of course I can supply a sample "broken" header if anyone cares to see.) Thanks, Kevin
This may be caused by a missing "List-Post:" header on the list. The following RFC talks about this: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/rfc2369/ This list here, however, does not even use a "Sender:" header according to RFC822, which means that a simple hit on "Reply" will reply to the poster personally, not to the list. But the pros and cons of this behavior have been discussed ages ago and to my knowledge most people on this list have agreed upon the current settings. Robert
-----Original Message----- From: elefino [mailto:kevinmcl@magma.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:32 PM To: suse-kde@suse.com Subject: [suse-kde] which Mailing list header info makes "Reply to Mailing-list" work?
All,
I use KMail, and the "Message > Reply Special > Reply to Mailing-list" function (shortcut "l" (ell)) works nicely for this list and many others to which I'm subscribed.
However, for a couple of lists, the created reply contains the quoted message material, but the "To:" field is unpopulated (requiring some extra keystrokes in order to reply to just those lists).
Could someone tell me (or point to where it's documented) which particular line or lines from the message header are being used by KMail (and presumably other mail readers) to create a Reply to Mailing-list?
A friend is hosting one of the broken lists, and I'd like to let her know how to fix hers. Of course, she's using Yahoo-lists, so she might not have that kind of control available to her, but she could still submit a request to the masters at Yahoo...
I've visually compared headers and I do see plenty of differences, it's just that I'm not sure which differences are important to this particular function.
(Of course I can supply a sample "broken" header if anyone cares to see.)
Thanks,
Kevin
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On Thursday 22 December 2005 10:55, Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
This may be caused by a missing "List-Post:" header on the list. The following RFC talks about this: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/rfc2369/
Thanks, I was looking at RFC 822 and some others, but had not reached 2369...
This list here, however, does not even use a "Sender:" header according to RFC822, which means that a simple hit on "Reply" will reply to the poster personally, not to the list. But the pros and cons of this behavior have been discussed ages ago and to my knowledge most people on this list have agreed upon the current settings.
I didn't say anything about changing this list. As I said, I wanted my friend to make her list work the way this one does when a reader selects "Reply to Mailing-list". However, what I see when I read the list doesn't quite correspond to what you say above. I'm reading with KMail 1.9 in KDE 3.5.0a, and mail from *this* list gets the same result whether I choose "Reply" or "Reply-to-Mailing-List". In either case, a reply opens with the _list_ address in the "To:" field. I suppose that's less functional than having two different results from two different commands. However, as you say, most people on this list happen to like how it works now. So, if I wanted my friend's list to set up posts: - to reply to the sender when a reader chooses "Reply" - to reply to the list when a reader chooses "Reply to Mailing-list" which lines would need to be written to headers of messages that are handled by her listserve? As with this list, the function of "Reply" is almost a "don't care" for me, because I rarely respond directly to posters, but the "Reply to Mailing-list" function is useful, since that's my usual action. It hasn't been entirely clear from the chain of e-mail-related RFCs that I've been reading. :-) I don't have a mail server (let alone a list-server) of my own, so I can't easily try different options, to see what happens. Kevin
This list here, however, does not even use a "Sender:" header according to RFC822, which means that a simple hit on "Reply" will reply to the poster personally, not to the list. But the pros and cons of this behavior have been discussed ages ago and to my knowledge most people on this list have agreed upon the current settings.
I didn't say anything about changing this list. As I said, I wanted my friend to make her list work the way this one does when a reader selects "Reply to Mailing-list".
I got that. I was sort of hijacking your post to add some rant ;-)
However, what I see when I read the list doesn't quite correspond to what you say above. I'm reading with KMail 1.9 in KDE 3.5.0a, and mail from *this* list gets the same result whether I choose "Reply" or "Reply-to-Mailing-List". In either case, a reply opens with the _list_ address in the "To:" field.
Interesting. I'm reading with a Windoze Outlook client and when i click "Reply", Outlook uses your personal address, not the list's address.
I suppose that's less functional than having two different results from two different commands. However, as you say, most people on this list happen to like how it works now.
Yes, that's what i observed, too. OK, now back to your topic again:
So, if I wanted my friend's list to set up posts: - to reply to the sender when a reader chooses "Reply"
- to reply to the list when a reader chooses "Reply to Mailing-list"
Basically, this requires a setup similar to the one that is used by this list, i.e. have a "List-Post:" header with the list's address and *no* "Sender:" header or configure the "Sender:" header to be the poster's address. (Don't know if your friend's mailing list software supports this.)
which lines would need to be written to headers of messages that are handled by her listserve?
Off-topic rant again: The term "listserv" (and similarly "listerve") is reserved by L-Soft, the providers of LISTSERV(r) since 1986. However, i won't tell my boss about it ;-)) If by some chance your friend actually *is* using LISTSERV, i'll work my heart out to help her achieve what she wants. I'm not too acquainted with other mailing list products, though. Robert
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 16:55 +0100, Robert Graf-Waczenski wrote:
This may be caused by a missing "List-Post:" header on the list. The following RFC talks about this: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/idref/rfc2369/
This list here, however, does not even use a "Sender:" header according to RFC822, which means that a simple hit on "Reply" will reply to the poster personally, not to the list. But the pros and cons of this behavior have been discussed ages ago and to my knowledge most people on this list have agreed upon the current settings.
In Evolution ReplyTo list handles the choice just fine. So it depends upon your MUA.
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