[opensuse-kde] Mandriva vs. openSUSE
Looks to me that Mandriva has implemented several useful features and ideas. Alot of what I'm seeing looks like some of the ideas I have had. Lets take a look, and see if we get any good ideas eh? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Mittwoch 31 August 2011 20:47:54 Roger Luedecke wrote:
Looks to me that Mandriva has implemented several useful features and ideas. Alot of what I'm seeing looks like some of the ideas I have had. Lets take a look, and see if we get any good ideas eh?
Well, except RocketBar (which is a modification of the standard Plasma panel) the new features are just a collection of only 4 new Plasma widgets (SimpleWelcome, Divider, StackFolders, and IIRC a Task List). If they don't need patches to core parts of Plasma, they could be packaged if one is able to find the source codes for them (so far I didn't). Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 1. September 2011, 10:40:20 schrieb Markus Slopianka:
On Mittwoch 31 August 2011 20:47:54 Roger Luedecke wrote:
Looks to me that Mandriva has implemented several useful features and ideas. Alot of what I'm seeing looks like some of the ideas I have had. Lets take a look, and see if we get any good ideas eh?
Well, except RocketBar (which is a modification of the standard Plasma panel) the new features are just a collection of only 4 new Plasma widgets (SimpleWelcome, Divider, StackFolders, and IIRC a Task List). If they don't need patches to core parts of Plasma, they could be packaged if one is able to find the source codes for them (so far I didn't).
yep, good approach, first package and test them. Afterwards decide what should be default :) What I observed in the videos is that in general (for Mandriva and also SUSE) quite a lot of more fine tuning is needed. For example all the listed plasma widgets, which are available by default look to me like a random mess. Just because some developer liked it, it should not be installed by default. We should rethink which applets are really use full for most users and don't install the rest. That would IMHO make the desktop look way more professional and people get the impression that they can actually do something usefull with the widgets. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Just because some developer liked it, it should not be installed by default. We should rethink which applets are really use full for most users and don't install the rest. That would IMHO make the desktop look way more professional and people get the impression that they can actually do something usefull with the widgets.
IMO the main problem is that the individual Plasma widgets are not in separate packages. openSUSE is pretty good in offering the applications as separate packages but unless it's a 3rd party applet, all KDE ones are either in kdebase4-workspace or plasma-addons. In kdebase4-workspace for example are a bunch of system monitoring widgets which (unlike systray, taksbar, and K-Menu) are targeted at only a niche group of users who are more than capable of installing them from separate packages if they want them. On the original topic: I found the source for StackFolders at http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandriva/mandrivalinux/official/2011/SRPMS/mai... applet-stackfolder-0.1.9-12.src.rpm The others are probably hidden in some other package. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.09.2011 10:56, schrieb Adrian Schröter:
What I observed in the videos is that in general (for Mandriva and also SUSE) quite a lot of more fine tuning is needed. For example all the listed plasma widgets, which are available by default look to me like a random mess.
Just because some developer liked it, it should not be installed by default. We should rethink which applets are really use full for most users and don't install the rest. That would IMHO make the desktop look way more professional and people get the impression that they can actually do something usefull with the widgets.
Hey, just a suggestion: We all know about SUSE Studio, right? Why not creating a simple KDE live CD and set *there* the Mandriva patches at default and give it some people to test? If the feedback is good, we could see if we want to stuck with the old or if we want to change. thanks, -- send from my notebook ***************** Linux is userfriendly. It´s just not idiot friendly. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.09.2011 10:56, schrieb Adrian Schröter:
What I observed in the videos is that in general (for Mandriva and also SUSE) quite a lot of more fine tuning is needed. For example all the listed plasma widgets, which are available by default look to me like a random mess.
Just because some developer liked it, it should not be installed by default. We should rethink which applets are really use full for most users and don't install the rest. That would IMHO make
way more professional and people get the impression that
On Thursday, September 01, 2011 02:45:08 AM K. Dennis Leyendecker wrote: the desktop look they can
actually do something usefull with the widgets.
Hey,
just a suggestion:
We all know about SUSE Studio, right? Why not creating a simple KDE live CD and set *there* the Mandriva patches at default and give it some people to test?
If the feedback is good, we could see if we want to stuck with the old or if we want to change.
thanks, Sounds reasonable to me. I do like that Mandriva is willing to break from the flock and distinguish themselves in such a fashion.
On a side note, one thing I always thought really sensible is that they always use a different Window Decoration than the Oxygen one. The Oxygen one looks fine until you use Firefox, Thunderbird or a few other apps; then the lack of gradient on the background makes the decoration look very ugly... part of why I'm quite fond of QtCurve. Though setting QtCurve as default is generally regarded as not an option since it does not perform as efficiently as Oxygen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 01/09/11 11:31, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me. I do like that Mandriva is willing to break from the flock and distinguish themselves in such a fashion.
On a side note, one thing I always thought really sensible is that they always use a different Window Decoration than the Oxygen one. The Oxygen one looks fine until you use Firefox, Thunderbird or a few other apps; then the lack of gradient on the background makes the decoration look very ugly... part of why I'm quite fond of QtCurve. Though setting QtCurve as default is generally regarded as not an option since it does not perform as efficiently as Oxygen.
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen-kde/ Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:00, Tejas Guruswamy <tejas.guruswamy@...> wrote:
On 01/09/11 11:31, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me. I do like that Mandriva is willing to break from the flock and distinguish themselves in such a fashion.
On a side note, one thing I always thought really sensible is that they always use a different Window Decoration than the Oxygen one. The Oxygen one looks fine until you use Firefox, Thunderbird or a few other apps; then the lack of gradient on the background makes the decoration look very ugly... part of why I'm quite fond of QtCurve. Though setting QtCurve as default is generally regarded as not an option since it does not perform as efficiently as Oxygen.
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen-kde/
Tejas
For my self the "oxygen-gtk" gtk-theme does a satisfying job, but uses more cpu-cycles than acceptable on a mobile (netbook/laptop). If power consumption is the main decider, "Oxygen-Molecule" does the job, but doesn't look as nice as "oxygen-gtk". I haven't tested / used QtCurve since 11.2 came out (Versions qtcurve-kde4-0.67.6-3.2 / qtcurve-gtk2-0.68.0-2.2). Has it gotten better since in terms of cpu-cycles? It was something of a cpu-hog / power-drain then. And what about the shadows-disaster in some of the newer versions, has that been cleared yet? Or at least made a option to disable? If I look at http://software.opensuse.org/search for QtCurve I see: qtcurve-gtk2-1.2.0-1.10 / qtcurve-kde4-1.2.0-1.13 (OSS_11.3) qtcurve-gtk2-1.8.1-3.1 / qtcurve-kde4-1.8.4-3.1 (OSS_11.4) qtcurve-gtk2-1.8.9-36.7 and qtcurve-gtk2-1.2.0-17.1 (GNOME:Apps/Factory) qtcurve-kde4-1.8.7-3.3 (KDE:Release:47/Factory) Huh? what version to use? What do you use ? Seeking clarity, Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 09/01/2011 04:38 AM, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:00, Tejas Guruswamy <tejas.guruswamy@...> wrote:
On 01/09/11 11:31, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me. I do like that Mandriva is willing to break from the flock and distinguish themselves in such a fashion.
On a side note, one thing I always thought really sensible is that they always use a different Window Decoration than the Oxygen one. The Oxygen one looks fine until you use Firefox, Thunderbird or a few other apps; then the lack of gradient on the background makes the decoration look very ugly... part of why I'm quite fond of QtCurve. Though setting QtCurve as default is generally regarded as not an option since it does not perform as efficiently as Oxygen.
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/oxygen-kde/
Tejas
For my self the "oxygen-gtk" gtk-theme does a satisfying job, but uses more cpu-cycles than acceptable on a mobile (netbook/laptop).
If power consumption is the main decider, "Oxygen-Molecule" does the job, but doesn't look as nice as "oxygen-gtk".
I haven't tested / used QtCurve since 11.2 came out (Versions qtcurve-kde4-0.67.6-3.2 / qtcurve-gtk2-0.68.0-2.2).
Has it gotten better since in terms of cpu-cycles? It was something of a cpu-hog / power-drain then.
And what about the shadows-disaster in some of the newer versions, has that been cleared yet? Or at least made a option to disable?
If I look at http://software.opensuse.org/search for QtCurve I see: qtcurve-gtk2-1.2.0-1.10 / qtcurve-kde4-1.2.0-1.13 (OSS_11.3)
qtcurve-gtk2-1.8.1-3.1 / qtcurve-kde4-1.8.4-3.1 (OSS_11.4)
qtcurve-gtk2-1.8.9-36.7 and qtcurve-gtk2-1.2.0-17.1 (GNOME:Apps/Factory)
qtcurve-kde4-1.8.7-3.3 (KDE:Release:47/Factory)
Huh? what version to use? What do you use ?
Seeking clarity, Yamaban.
I use the QtCurve in the 11.4 repos. Its slightly slower performing than Oxygen... but negligibly so. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
[ Comments below, in line ] On Thursday 01 September 2011 at 7:00 am, Tejas Guruswamy penned about "Re: [opensuse-kde] Mandriva vs. openSUSE"
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side:
Hi Tejas, The problem with the above is: `Not available for Firefox 6.0' Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Fax: 760.860.5225 (US) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pablo Sanchez <pablo@blueoakdb.com> wrote:
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On Thursday 01 September 2011 at 7:00 am, Tejas Guruswamy penned about "Re: [opensuse-kde] Mandriva vs. openSUSE"
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side:
Hi Tejas,
The problem with the above is: `Not available for Firefox 6.0'
Cheers,
Try here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=117962 This is the official location of the extension and is kept up to date more than one on the firefox extensions page. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
[ Comments below, in line ] On Thursday 01 September 2011 at 9:18 am, todd rme penned about "Re: [opensuse-kde] Mandriva vs. openSUSE"
This is the official location of the extension and is kept up to date more than one on the firefox extensions page.
Sweet. Thank you Todd. Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph: 819.459.1926 Fax: 760.860.5225 (US) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 09/01/2011 03:18 PM, todd rme wrote:
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pablo Sanchez <pablo@blueoakdb.com> wrote:
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On Thursday 01 September 2011 at 7:00 am, Tejas Guruswamy penned about "Re: [opensuse-kde] Mandriva vs. openSUSE"
Prefer to fix this on the Firefox side:
Hi Tejas,
The problem with the above is: `Not available for Firefox 6.0'
Cheers,
Try here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=117962
This is the official location of the extension and is kept up to date more than one on the firefox extensions page.
-Todd
Really nice extension ... and cool.. rekonq will wait to become my default browser a bit more :D -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 1. September 2011, 10:40:20 schrieb Markus Slopianka:
On Mittwoch 31 August 2011 20:47:54 Roger Luedecke wrote:
Looks to me that Mandriva has implemented several useful features and ideas. Alot of what I'm seeing looks like some of the ideas I have had. Lets take a look, and see if we get any good ideas eh?
Well, except RocketBar (which is a modification of the standard Plasma panel) the new features are just a collection of only 4 new Plasma widgets (SimpleWelcome, Divider, StackFolders, and IIRC a Task List). If they don't need patches to core parts of Plasma, they could be packaged if one is able to find the source codes for them (so far I didn't).
yep, good approach, first package and test them. Afterwards decide what should be default :)
What I observed in the videos is that in general (for Mandriva and also SUSE) quite a lot of more fine tuning is needed. For example all the listed plasma widgets, which are available by default look to me like a random mess.
Just because some developer liked it, it should not be installed by default. We should rethink which applets are really use full for most users and don't install the rest. That would IMHO make the desktop look way more professional and people get the impression that
On Thursday, September 01, 2011 01:56:42 AM Adrian Schröter wrote: they can actually
do something usefull with the widgets. I totally agree. I feel like our current widgets make us look sloppy, and the majority of them should not be installed by default. I'm pretty sure this will change once the new widget creation framework is up. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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