I prefer to have any tasks easily visible at the top of the screen,as kde2 used to do automatically. Now I have to do quite a bit to work to remove the nested tasks from kicker. The problem is that on re booting the computer the external task bar sometimes is not re installed, it may miss each 8 or 9 reboots .I don't think this should happen because when I re install the external taskbar the tasks which were remaining from the last session are still there.Only the bar is missing. Can anyone suggest a fix? mark -- marking@paradise.net.nz Attachments destroyed automatically without viewing except by prior arrangement