This is on a P4 on i845G chipset, old and slow. IceWM works fine. TDE on identical hardware works fine. Is there any plasma-specific session logging anywhere for finding clues to the problem? I see KDE stuff in the journal, but all mixed up with other stuff. Grepping kde in journal produces this: Nov 03 04:53:13 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.kglobalaccel' requested by ':1.5' (uid=0 pid=1077 comm="kded5 [kdeinit5] ") Nov 03 04:53:13 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' Nov 03 04:53:14 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.KScreen' requested by ':1.5' (uid=0 pid=1077 comm="kded5 [kdeinit5] ") Nov 03 04:53:14 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.KScreen' Nov 03 04:53:15 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service' requested by ':1.15' (uid=0 pid=1077 comm="kded5 [kdeinit5] ") Nov 03 04:53:19 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' unit='polkit.service' requested by ':1.18' (uid=0 pid=1135 comm="/usr/lib/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1") Nov 03 04:53:19 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.ActivityManager' requested by ':1.18' (uid=0 pid=1133 comm="/usr/bin/plasmashell ") Nov 03 04:53:22 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.ActivityManager' Nov 03 04:53:26 t2240 polkitd[1155]: Registered Authentication Agent for unix-session:1 (system bus name :1.18 [/usr/lib/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1], object path /org/kde/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale POSIX) Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Activating service name='org.kde.powerdevil.discretegpuhelper' requested by ':1.19' (uid=0 pid=1146 comm="/usr/lib/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil ") (using servicehelper) Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.discretegpuhelper[1197]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.discretegpuhelper[1197]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.discretegpuhelper[1197]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.powerdevil.discretegpuhelper' Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Activating service name='org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' requested by ':1.19' (uid=0 pid=1146 comm="/usr/lib/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil ") (using servicehelper) Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper[1202]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper[1202]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper[1202]: QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object Nov 03 04:53:29 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper' Nov 03 04:53:30 t2240 dbus-daemon[540]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UDisks2' unit='udisks2.service' requested by ':1.19' (uid=0 pid=1146 comm="/usr/lib/libexec/org_kde_powerdevil ") Nov 03 04:53:31 t2240 org.kde.ActivityManager[1035]: Service started, version: 7.0.0 Nov 03 04:53:47 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.kuiserver' requested by ':1.18' (uid=0 pid=1133 comm="/usr/bin/plasmashell ") Nov 03 04:53:48 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Successfully activated service 'org.kde.kuiserver' Nov 03 04:56:20 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.kglobalaccel' requested by ':1.5' (uid=0 pid=1077 comm="kded5 [kdeinit5] ") Nov 03 04:56:20 t2240 polkitd[1155]: Unregistered Authentication Agent for unix-session:1 (system bus name :1.18, object path /org/kde/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale POSIX) (disconnected from bus) Available platform plugins are: wayland-org.kde.kwin.qpa, eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, offscreen, vnc, xcb. Nov 03 04:56:20 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activated service 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' failed: Process org.kde.kglobalaccel received signal 6 Nov 03 04:56:21 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activating service name='org.kde.kglobalaccel' requested by ':1.18' (uid=0 pid=1133 comm="/usr/bin/plasmashell ") Available platform plugins are: wayland-org.kde.kwin.qpa, eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, offscreen, vnc, xcb. Nov 03 04:56:21 t2240 dbus-daemon[1035]: [session uid=0 pid=1035] Activated service 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' failed: Process org.kde.kglobalaccel received signal 6 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org