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Alvin Beach

20 Jan 2011 20 Jan '11

10:23

Hello all, I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them. I used to turn this feature on in past KDE 4.x versions, but I cannot seem to find that setting in 4.5.5. I thought the setting was in "Configure Window Behaviour, Window Actions tab, Actions. But it appears to have disappeared? Could the feature have been removed from the Configure window but still linger in my settings files? If so, anyone know which file I should edit to turn it off? Many Thanks, Alvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

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Will Stephenson

20 Jan 20 Jan

13:36

On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else? WIll

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I used to turn this feature on in past KDE 4.x versions, but I cannot seem to find that setting in 4.5.5. I thought the setting was in "Configure Window Behaviour, Window Actions tab, Actions. But it appears to have disappeared? Could the feature have been removed from the Configure window but still linger in my settings files? If so, anyone know which file I should edit to turn it off?

-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander

13:59

Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-) Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff. I'm fairly indifferent, with a slight leaning towards keeping the feature enabled - and thus sticking to the upstream default. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Alvin Beach

14:12

On January 20, 2011 9:59:19 am Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson: [snip]

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

I'm fairly indifferent, with a slight leaning towards keeping the feature enabled - and thus sticking to the upstream default.

FWIW, the reason I wanted to disable it was that I was often moving windows around when I just wanted to resize the panes inside a window. This happens if I do not precisely drag the divider (between two panes) but rather a few pixels above the divider. What happens in this case is that the whole window moves (often un-maximises and moves). Personally, I found it frustrating. Cheers, Alvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander

14:32

Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 15:12:09 skrev Alvin Beach:

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On January 20, 2011 9:59:19 am Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson: [snip]

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

I'm fairly indifferent, with a slight leaning towards keeping the feature enabled - and thus sticking to the upstream default.

FWIW, the reason I wanted to disable it was that I was often moving windows around when I just wanted to resize the panes inside a window. This happens if I do not precisely drag the divider (between two panes) but rather a few pixels above the divider. What happens in this case is that the whole window moves (often un-maximises and moves). Personally, I found it frustrating.

Maybe this was improved for 4.6. Because on 4.6rc2 I can't seem to un-maximize or move a maximized window by clicking or dragging on the window background, no matter how clumsy I try to be :-) (I tried Dolphin and Kontact) I can see that it might happen, that you accidentally move around a non- maximized window, when trying to perform certain other operations, but I think this disadvantage is outweighed by the benefits. It should also be noted that with the Oxygen windeco it can be a bit difficult, for the un-initiated user, to tell the windeco and the window background apart since they're the same colour. I guess that's the reason why this feature was added in the first place. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Karsten König

18:56

Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011, 15:12:09 schrieb Alvin Beach:

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On January 20, 2011 9:59:19 am Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson: [snip]

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

I'm fairly indifferent, with a slight leaning towards keeping the feature enabled - and thus sticking to the upstream default.

FWIW, the reason I wanted to disable it was that I was often moving windows around when I just wanted to resize the panes inside a window. This happens if I do not precisely drag the divider (between two panes) but rather a few pixels above the divider. What happens in this case is that the whole window moves (often un-maximises and moves). Personally, I found it frustrating.

Cheers,

Alvin

I haven't noticed that until now, but I agree this is irritating, especially when one doesn't know to just move the window to the top to fullscreen it once more. I always use alt + drag to move a window, as a windows user I would only find it by accident, the established move window workflow is the top bar =/ Do any of you longtime users really drag windows around by finding an background of the window instead of using alt+drag? Karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

todd rme

19:50

2011/1/20 Karsten König :

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Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011, 15:12:09 schrieb Alvin Beach:

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On January 20, 2011 9:59:19 am Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson: [snip]

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

I'm fairly indifferent, with a slight leaning towards keeping the feature enabled - and thus sticking to the upstream default.

FWIW, the reason I wanted to disable it was that I was often moving windows around when I just wanted to resize the panes inside a window. This happens if I do not precisely drag the divider (between two panes) but rather a few pixels above the divider. What happens in this case is that the whole window moves (often un-maximises and moves). Personally, I found it frustrating.

Cheers,

Alvin

I haven't noticed that until now, but I agree this is irritating, especially when one doesn't know to just move the window to the top to fullscreen it once more.

I always use alt + drag to move a window, as a windows user I would only find it by accident, the established move window workflow is the top bar =/

Do any of you longtime users really drag windows around by finding an background of the window instead of using alt+drag?

I am doing it more and more now. It required consciously thinking about it initially, but it is getting more natural as I do it more and more. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

ne...

21 Jan 21 Jan

07:12

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:59, Martin Schlander wrote: [...]

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Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

Spoken by a man who does not while away his time playing spider. You do not know how annoying that can be when mistakenly trying to drag the wrong card the whole window moves with it. Thanks Will, that was a life saver. ne... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

todd rme

14:25

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:12 AM, ne... wrote:

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 13:59, Martin Schlander wrote: [...]

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Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot of people it's an usability improvement - i.e. they don't have to be so precise on the mouse and don't need to understand the difference between windeco and window background in order to drag stuff.

Spoken by a man who does not while away his time playing spider. You do not know how annoying that can be when mistakenly trying to drag the wrong card the whole window moves with it. Thanks Will, that was a life saver.

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This sounds like a problem with the game, I don't think the game screen should be the sort of element you can drag like that. Have you submitted a bug report for that? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

16:19

On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:59:19 Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot

It drives you mad if you try to play patience and always move windows if you haven't hit a card 100% exact. Greetings, Stephan -- Sent from openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

todd rme

17:40

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:59:19 Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot

It drives you mad if you try to play patience and always move windows if you haven't hit a card 100% exact.

Greetings, Stephan

This seems to me a bug that should be fixed. It varies a lot between games: I went ahead and posted a bug about this. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263898 -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

todd rme

23 Jan 23 Jan

16:19

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM, todd rme wrote:

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On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:59:19 Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 20. januar 2011 14:36:49 skrev Will Stephenson:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

It's the same behaviour as OSX afaik, and we all know that everything Apple do is perfect in every way ;-)

Joking aside, I don't see how this feature can do any harm, and for a lot

It drives you mad if you try to play patience and always move windows if you haven't hit a card 100% exact.

Greetings, Stephan

This seems to me a bug that should be fixed. It varies a lot between games:

I went ahead and posted a bug about this.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263898

Update on the games issue, from the bug report: Thanks for the detailed report. I can have a look at some of these games, to see if oxygen's dragging feature can be improved, or if intervention in the game code itself is required. Will keep you posted. In the meanwhile you can disable the feature by typing "oxygen-settings" (in konsole or krunner) and change the corresponding option (in front page). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

19:00

On Sunday 23 January 2011 17:19:44 todd rme wrote:

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Update on the games issue, from the bug report:

Thanks for the detailed report. I can have a look at some of these games, to see if oxygen's dragging feature can be improved, or if intervention in the game code itself is required. Will keep you posted. In the meanwhile you can disable the feature by typing "oxygen-settings" (in konsole or krunner) and change the corresponding option (in front page).

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Since there's no unanimous feeling either way, I'll leave it at the upstream default (enabled) in 11.4 and turn it off for myself with oxygen-settings. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Alvin Beach

20 Jan 20 Jan

13:59

On January 20, 2011 9:36:49 am Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

WIll

Thank you! I think it may be the default since I upgraded to KDE 4.5.5. I forget which 4.x version I had when I first activated the option. It could have carried over? Many thanks and cheers! Alvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Kleine

17:47

On Thursday January 20 2011 14:36:49 Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

No way, that's the best thing since quite some while. Leave it on!

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WIll

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I used to turn this feature on in past KDE 4.x versions, but I cannot seem to find that setting in 4.5.5. I thought the setting was in "Configure Window Behaviour, Window Actions tab, Actions. But it appears to have disappeared? Could the feature have been removed from the Configure window but still linger in my settings files? If so, anyone know which file I should edit to turn it off?

-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Sebastian Kügler

21 Jan 21 Jan

12:15

On Thursday, January 20, 2011 18:47:45 Stephan Kleine wrote:

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On Thursday January 20 2011 14:36:49 Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

No way, that's the best thing since quite some while. Leave it on!

Agree. Especially with Oxygen windecos (which don't make a difference between window / border), it makes a lot of sense, since there's no indication where the window ends and the deco begins (a distinction that's very artificial in the first place). I appreciate the feature when using the mouse, even more so with the touchpad (alt + touchpad button + drag is even harder), and it's a total lifesaver on a touchscreen (tried it, was surprises how much of a difference it made). If we find concrete usability problems with it, I'd suggest talking to Hugo, he's been very avid in fixing all kinds of corner-cases. Cheer, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

todd rme

20 Jan 20 Jan

18:15

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

WIll

I agree with the others, it should stay on. What is your reason for wanting to turn it off by default? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

21 Jan 21 Jan

12:02

On Thursday 20 January 2011 19:15:09 todd rme wrote:

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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Thursday 20 January 2011 11:23:46 Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

WIll

I agree with the others, it should stay on. What is your reason for wanting to turn it off by default?

I often manage to drag windows by mistake when I miss the element I was aiming to click on and there is some residual mouse movement. Since most of my windows are maximised this causes them to un-maximise and I then have to max them again. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

20 Jan 20 Jan

19:22

On 2011/01/20 14:36 (GMT+0100) Will Stephenson composed:

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Alvin Beach wrote:

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I am using KDE 4.5.5 and I was wonder how I can disable moving a window by dragging inside the window. This seems to only happen with KDE windows (e.g. not Firefox). I have searched for the setting(s) to turn this off, but I cannot seem to find them.

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Run "oxygen-settings", the setting is on the first tab. I think this should be disabled by default, anyone else?

Absolutely. I already have too much trouble from accidental drags without having whole windows moving accidentally as well. With only a small arthritic assist it's way too easy to move the pointer before LMB release occurs. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

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