[opensuse-kde] rekonq
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 Feb 2011 18:35:45 Steven Sroka wrote:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
maybe because people used it and decided is not yet ready for... just my thoughts. Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena@ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena@gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 15 February 2011 07:51:58 Alin Marin Elena wrote:
On Monday 14 Feb 2011 18:35:45 Steven Sroka wrote:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
maybe because people used it and decided is not yet ready for... just my thoughts.
Alin
Rekonq will be shipped as part of openSUSE 11.4. At this moment I don't believe it is feature complete (yet) to replace browsers like FireFox or even Konqueror. However with the move to make Rekonq part of the default distribution is a sign that this browser has the potential to become the default browser. Maybe even already with the release after 11.4, but this depends on how the browser evolves further. Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 08:51:58 Alin Marin Elena wrote:
On Monday 14 Feb 2011 18:35:45 Steven Sroka wrote:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
maybe because people used it and decided is not yet ready for... just my thoughts.
The same holds true for Firefox 4, IMO. Its user interface has undergone some changes, among which: no refresh button anymore. I really miss that, and I would like some of that stuff the UI designer has been smoking... also the target URL is not shown in the statusbar anymore, but in the addressfield with a > indicator, it often ends up clipped here. I have both installed right now, and quite frankly: they're both not perfect. Some observation I have with Rekonq: - flash support is broken (might actually be a feature ;)) - no load URL on middle click - external URLs will be opened with the default tab policy, which I've set to "open new tab in background", pretty annoying, as I now have to hunt down the opened pages now - Rekonq is lacking lastpass support, is anyone aware of a synching solution that works? - stability and speed are awesome, so is the UI Let's investigate for the next release, if we want to switch to rekonq, I think it certainly bears potential. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am 15.02.2011 14:57, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
maybe because people used it and decided is not yet ready for... just my thoughts.
The same holds true for Firefox 4, IMO. Its user interface has undergone some changes, among which: no refresh button anymore. I really miss that, and I would like some of that stuff the UI designer has been smoking... also the target URL is not shown in the statusbar anymore, but in the addressfield with a > indicator, it often ends up clipped here.
The refresh button is in the url bar on the right side or click customize and move it out from there. I agree with the link url though. I still hope they are changing it. The progress status also moved into a flexible box in the bottem left content area (where Chromium displays link targets apparently as well). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer
Am 15.02.2011 14:57, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
maybe because people used it and decided is not yet ready for... just my thoughts.
The same holds true for Firefox 4, IMO. Its user interface has undergone some changes, among which: no refresh button anymore. I really miss that, and I would like some of that stuff the UI designer has been smoking... also the target URL is not shown in the statusbar anymore, but in the addressfield with a > indicator, it often ends up clipped here.
The refresh button is in the url bar on the right side or click customize and move it out from there. I agree with the link url though. I still hope they are changing it. The progress status also moved into a flexible box in the bottem left content area (where Chromium displays link targets apparently as well).
Wolfgang
Rekonq may get the link in addressbar feature as well. There have been a lot of changes for the next release. If I recall correctly, extension support is expected for the release after that. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 15:03:40 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
The refresh button is in the url bar on the right side or click customize and move it out from there.
Ooh, thanks! Makes my life a bit easier yet... :) -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am 15.02.2011 15:03, schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Am 15.02.2011 14:57, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
The same holds true for Firefox 4, IMO. Its user interface has undergone some changes, among which: no refresh button anymore. I really miss that, and I would like some of that stuff the UI designer has been smoking... also the target URL is not shown in the statusbar anymore, but in the addressfield with a > indicator, it often ends up clipped here.
The refresh button is in the url bar on the right side or click customize and move it out from there. I agree with the link url though. I still hope they are changing it. The progress status also moved into a flexible box in the bottem left content area (where Chromium displays link targets apparently as well).
To follow up on myself. My (and others') hope came true. Hyperlinks are displayed at the bottom left content area in FF4. Will appear with beta12. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541656 Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer
Am 15.02.2011 15:03, schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
Am 15.02.2011 14:57, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
The same holds true for Firefox 4, IMO. Its user interface has undergone some changes, among which: no refresh button anymore. I really miss that, and I would like some of that stuff the UI designer has been smoking... also the target URL is not shown in the statusbar anymore, but in the addressfield with a > indicator, it often ends up clipped here.
The refresh button is in the url bar on the right side or click customize and move it out from there. I agree with the link url though. I still hope they are changing it. The progress status also moved into a flexible box in the bottem left content area (where Chromium displays link targets apparently as well).
To follow up on myself. My (and others') hope came true.
Hyperlinks are displayed at the bottom left content area in FF4. Will appear with beta12. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541656
Wolfgang
What!? They are radically changing basic behavior in beta 12? I'm sorry, but that's insane. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, February 17, 2011 15:57:35 todd rme wrote:
What!? They are radically changing basic behavior in beta 12? I'm sorry, but that's insane.
It's better to come back on a mistake than pretending it wasn't one and keep the broken behaviour. (Broken in this case means "target link is often obscured when displayed in the title bar.) I'm neither surprised by this move, nor do I think Mozilla devs are insane, they should be applauded for this change. :) -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 15. februar 2011 00:35:45 skrev Steven Sroka:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
I don't think there was a detailed discussion, but it was decided to stick with Firefox as the safest, most productive default for most people - but include rekonq in the main oss repo to make it easy for people to get. With oxygen-gtk and Lubos' KDE integration, Firefox is quite well integrated. And rekonq has some showstoppers imho - no java plugin support (iirc), and no html5 video/audio support with openSUSE Qt packages (bug # 559006). Which makes it unsuitable as the default on openSUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
No HTML5 video support is not rekonq's fault, though. QtWebKit has it, the package maintainers just chose to disable it for whatever reason. I can't see any logical explanation why video support is turned off. In the past it caused conflicts with Phonon but since then it uses GStreamer directly. Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 09:49:38 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Tirsdag den 15. februar 2011 00:35:45 skrev Steven Sroka:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
I don't think there was a detailed discussion, but it was decided to stick with Firefox as the safest, most productive default for most people - but include rekonq in the main oss repo to make it easy for people to get.
With oxygen-gtk and Lubos' KDE integration, Firefox is quite well integrated.
And rekonq has some showstoppers imho - no java plugin support (iirc), and no html5 video/audio support with openSUSE Qt packages (bug # 559006). Which makes it unsuitable as the default on openSUSE.
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On Tuesday 15 February 2011 12:51:49 Markus Slopianka wrote:
No HTML5 video support is not rekonq's fault, though. QtWebKit has it, the package maintainers just chose to disable it for whatever reason. I can't see any logical explanation why video support is turned off. In the past it caused conflicts with Phonon but since then it uses GStreamer directly.
I have been looking at this issue for some time already, but I can't find anywhere the patch or setting that disables the video support. I have already send a request to inform me how Qt should be build (parameters, etc) in order to have HTML5 available, but no reply from there. At this moment I am completely in the dark around this issue, but maybe somebody on this list has the right answer :-) I would love to see Rekonq with HTML5 support. Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
2011/2/15 Raymond Wooninck
I have been looking at this issue for some time already, but I can't find anywhere the patch or setting that disables the video support. I have already send a request to inform me how Qt should be build (parameters, etc) in order to have HTML5 available, but no reply from there.
At this moment I am completely in the dark around this issue, but maybe somebody on this list has the right answer :-)
I would love to see Rekonq with HTML5 support.
I have no idea. But perhaps this is a problem? GStreamer support ...... no PulseAudio support ..... no Or it's just for the (not built) included Phonon? Since Markus said "In the past it caused conflicts with Phonon but since then it uses GStreamer directly"... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 14 February 2011 23:35:45 Steven Sroka wrote:
Does anyone know why rekonq didn't become the openSUSE 11.4 KDE default browser? I justed remembered that rekonq was on the table to be the default browser in 11.4 KDE
Is possible to access java page with it? Thanks -- José Thadeu Cavalcante -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 12:03:30 schrieb Jose Thadeu Pinto Dantas Cavalcante:
Is possible to access java page with it?
Should be: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33044 But in theory HTML5 video should also work but doesn't (at least under openSUSE). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 15. februar 2011 16:33:34 skrev Markus Slopianka:
Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 12:03:30 schrieb Jose Thadeu Pinto Dantas Cavalcante:
Is possible to access java page with it?
Hmm... there might be some progress :-) If I go to java.com and try "Do I have Java?" with: openSUSE 11.3 64-bit KDE 4.6.0 (KDF) Sun Java 1.6 rekonq 0.6.1 Qt 4.7.1 rekonq crashes, and leaves a java process running using ~50% cpu. So it looks like rekonq is in touch with Java at least. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Install nspluginwrapper and all problems with Flash and Java should vanish. http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1 bitches that my Java-OpenJDK version is too old but other than that: No crashes of anything. Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 17:22:50 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Tirsdag den 15. februar 2011 16:33:34 skrev Markus Slopianka:
Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 12:03:30 schrieb Jose Thadeu Pinto Dantas
Cavalcante:
Is possible to access java page with it?
Hmm... there might be some progress :-)
If I go to java.com and try "Do I have Java?" with:
openSUSE 11.3 64-bit KDE 4.6.0 (KDF) Sun Java 1.6 rekonq 0.6.1 Qt 4.7.1
rekonq crashes, and leaves a java process running using ~50% cpu. So it looks like rekonq is in touch with Java at least.
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On 02/16/2011 01:24 AM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Install nspluginwrapper and all problems with Flash and Java should vanish. http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1 bitches that my Java-OpenJDK version is too old but other than that: No crashes of anything.
Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 17:22:50 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Tirsdag den 15. februar 2011 16:33:34 skrev Markus Slopianka:
Am Dienstag 15 Februar 2011, 12:03:30 schrieb Jose Thadeu Pinto Dantas
Cavalcante:
Is possible to access java page with it?
Hmm... there might be some progress :-)
If I go to java.com and try "Do I have Java?" with:
openSUSE 11.3 64-bit KDE 4.6.0 (KDF) Sun Java 1.6 rekonq 0.6.1 Qt 4.7.1
rekonq crashes, and leaves a java process running using ~50% cpu. So it looks like rekonq is in touch with Java at least.
But somewhere this is mainly wrong ... 32bits wrapper We have java 64 plugins now, and also flashplugin is available and simple to have (cf http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/17/adobe-flash-64-bits-under-opensuse-64... ) With nspluginwrapper you didn't get stability with FF for example. So mainly backtracing what's happen to rekonq and report crash to dev's in bugzilla would give better result in next version ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
But somewhere this is mainly wrong ... 32bits wrapper
I don't know about AMD64 but on my normal x86 installation it merely loads my native plugins. You sure it doesn't do the same on AMD64? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 16. Februar 2011, 12:27:57 schrieb Markus Slopianka:
But somewhere this is mainly wrong ... 32bits wrapper
I don't know about AMD64 but on my normal x86 installation it merely loads my native plugins. You sure it doesn't do the same on AMD64?
No, on AMD64 it requires a load of 32bit libraries because it will execute the plugins in 32bit (it only supports i386 plugins anyways) There is proper 64bit plugins (finally!) so one shouldn't need this layer anymore Cheers, Karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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