C wrote

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 01:29, Malte Gell wrote:

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Hello,

I use KDE 4.4.4 and when I press F9 to get the sidebar, Konqueror freezes for a lot of seconds. Is there a workaround besides opening the sidebar from the menu? Is this a known bug?

KDE 4.4.4 is old :-(

I know, but it is in the KDE:stable repo.... Anyway, I find KDE 4.4.4 not very stable, it has some obvious bugs, Kontact crashes often, KMail filters unreliably and so on...

Anyway, since you're using KDE4.4.4, I assume you're running a default install of 11.3? Are you also using a nVidia video card?

No, I run KDE 4.4.4 on top of SUSE 11.2 so still use the kernel from 11.2. But I keep your advise in the back of my mind. Regards Malte PS, is KDE 4.6 in some repo already? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, Malte Gell wrote:

C wrote

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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 01:29, Malte Gell wrote:

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Hello,

I use KDE 4.4.4 and when I press F9 to get the sidebar, Konqueror freezes for a lot of seconds. Is there a workaround besides opening the sidebar from the menu? Is this a known bug?

KDE 4.4.4 is old :-(

I know, but it is in the KDE:stable repo.... Anyway, I find KDE 4.4.4 not very stable, it has some obvious bugs, Kontact crashes often, KMail filters unreliably and so on...

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Anyway, since you're using KDE4.4.4, I assume you're running a default install of 11.3? Are you also using a nVidia video card?

No, I run KDE 4.4.4 on top of SUSE 11.2 so still use the kernel from 11.2. But I keep your advise in the back of my mind.

Regards Malte PS, is KDE 4.6 in some repo already?

First Things first: in the combination of KDE 4.5.5 / OSS 11.2 64bit / std-desktop-kernel (2.6.31) / nvidia 256.53 the Konqueror works as it should (no freeze) KDE 4.5 from: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/45/openSUSE_11.2 and yes KDE 4.6.0 is out there on the OBS: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/46/openSUSE_11.2 but, as it has been shown it the past it's not unwise to wait for the x.y.1 release if you are on a productive system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, C wrote:

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but, as it has been shown it the past it's not unwise to wait for the x.y.1 release if you are on a productive system.

Release numbers are for the most part... arbitrary. They are more a mark that a release has happened than anything else.. Look at the discussion around the version numbering for 11.4/12.0. The upcoming 11.4 could just have easily been 12.0. People buying into that x.y.1 myth will happily install 11.4, but if it was named 12.0, they would fill up the mailing list with claims that everyone should wait for 12.1.

The point release myth is just that... a myth in virtually all software releases regardless of OS, or developer/company

I'm all for testing on as many machines and users as possible. But on a *productive* system: NO! Think of software in medics: You, as a patient could easly die, just because the software that controls your breathing during a OP does a segfault. No trouble on a nonessential machine, but if one is bound to create his income on such a machine, a little patience is gold. If a software isn't really hardwarebound, an virtual machine is great. One cant test as one will, if it doesn't work, one uses the stable version on the host machine itself. but as KDE ventures deeper and deeper into direct hardware accelation some fringe effect are not seen in virtual machine testing, but those can kill ones work easily and fast. Generally said: give a new feature-release a month at least to mature before prodution use, if you can wait for it. But if possible test as early as availible on a nonessential machine. I'm NOT furthering a myth, but a bitter tale of caution. It's your life. If you want to life on the egde please do so, but make sure that your possible fall doesn't harm others. I'm working in a very sensitve area, senisitve to failure, which means death or worse to many if something untoward happens. Cheers, Yamaban out (I'd like to have the money for a testing machine) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 14:32, Michael Foerster wrote:

I'm all for testing on as many machines and users as possible. But on a *productive* system: NO! Think of software in medics:

You, as a patient could easly die, just because the software that controls your breathing during a OP does a segfault.

It's highly unlikely that anyone here is using KDE4 on a system that could kill patients at a hospital :-) If you're working with hardware that requires a reliable/predictable OS, you don't use openSUSE period. You use SLES/SLED if you want to use a Novell product, or you opt for something like Solaris (which is what my former employer did when we required an OS with 99.99999999% predictability and reliability - especially on timing - to run Lithography machines).

Generally said: give a new feature-release a month at least to mature before prodution use, if you can wait for it. But if possible test as early as availible on a nonessential machine.

Sure, but... the reality of KDE4 is that 4.6.0 is considerably more usable and stable than the "stable" 4.4.4 release and the 4.5.5 unsupported release.

I'm NOT furthering a myth, but a bitter tale of caution. It's your life. If you want to life on the egde please do so, but make sure that your possible fall doesn't harm others.

How else will you bleed? :-) Must... be... on.. the... edge... That's why i run Factory, and am trying to arrange a way to test Tumbleweed. I'm not suggesting anyone here go to Tumbleweed or Factory... just that they should not run away flailing their hands in the air because a release has a zero and not a one in it. KDE4.5.5 works, but KDE4.6.0 works better. Maybe 4.6.1 will be worse? Who knows... I do know it will NOT be bug free. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org