[opensuse-kde] openSUSE 11.3 KDE 4.5 Reloaded
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing. * desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug * Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled? * Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer? * Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again? Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2? Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix? Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
2010/8/19 Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de>:
* Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled? I'd like to ask once again: whose idea it was to start file indexing services when running from a Live-CD? It is REALLY slow, cause optical drives are slow. Even though initial indexing takes a minute or two, for user it is a minute of pain and frustration. Please, disable Nepomuk and Strigi by default, let's better get back to it when we have an option to run a whole livecd from RAM )) * Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer? Oh, yes, this one is really good! I like it. * Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again? Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2? I thought the purpose of this build was exactly to present new KDE technologies. Making it more openSUSE-ish does not make lot of sense at first glance. But since we have YaST and stuff there anyway, so it needs more discussion =)
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing.
* desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug * Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled?
Strigi/Nepomuk is working fine on a desktop (I've finally started using it, and it's not disruptive at all anymore), but it's one of those items that really kills performance while it's doing its initial indexing. This is a feature I'd definitely vote to have turned off on the LiveCD. There is no real benefit to it being switched on, on a LiveCD.... at least none i can think of.
* Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer? * Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again? Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2?
Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix?
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On Thursday 19 August 2010 10:44:56 C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing.
* desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug * Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled?
Strigi/Nepomuk is working fine on a desktop (I've finally started using it, and it's not disruptive at all anymore), but it's one of those items that really kills performance while it's doing its initial indexing. This is a feature I'd definitely vote to have turned off on the LiveCD. There is no real benefit to it being switched on, on a LiveCD.... at least none i can think of.
I admit that I didn't test it with a cdrom - I only dd'ed it to a usb stick and booted in VMs, and didn't actually notice any performance hit while the initial 1 minute index took place. I felt it was important to have all the upstream features enabled on the KDE Four Live image as it's an upstream showcase. For openSUSE KDE Reloaded, I think Strigi should be an opt-in as it was in 11.3 I think Nepomuk should be enabled as more features in 4.5 depend on it than in 4.4. Without Strigi or KDE PIM 4.5 beta (which is still facing some performance bugs), it consumes memory but not appreciable amounts of CPU. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:23, Will Stephenson wrote:
* Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled?
Strigi/Nepomuk is working fine on a desktop (I've finally started using it, and it's not disruptive at all anymore), but it's one of those items that really kills performance while it's doing its initial indexing. This is a feature I'd definitely vote to have turned off on the LiveCD. There is no real benefit to it being switched on, on a LiveCD.... at least none i can think of.
I admit that I didn't test it with a cdrom - I only dd'ed it to a usb stick and booted in VMs, and didn't actually notice any performance hit while the initial 1 minute index took place.
I felt it was important to have all the upstream features enabled on the KDE Four Live image as it's an upstream showcase. For openSUSE KDE Reloaded, I think Strigi should be an opt-in as it was in 11.3 I think Nepomuk should be enabled as more features in 4.5 depend on it than in 4.4. Without Strigi or KDE PIM 4.5 beta (which is still facing some performance bugs), it consumes memory but not appreciable amounts of CPU.
When I enabled Strigi/Nepomuk on my desktop (dual core CPU, 8GB RAM, SATA2 HDs)... it really killed the system until it was done the initial indexing... I mean.. I walked away and let it finish things got that busy on the HDs. Once that was done though (took 6 or 7 minutes), it's not a problem at all. With a LiveCD, the indexing - if there is any - would be triggered on every boot wouldn't it? I'm thinking CDROM here... not writable USB. If it is trigged on boot... then we would be showing a significant performance hit every time someone booted the CD... or am I wrong here? Or.. could it be pre-configured to index only.. say.. $USER/Desktop and $USER/Documents. They are essentially empty anyway on a LiveCD, and the indexing is minimal... thus no performance penalty. It would be interesting to a real world test of the LiveCD with this enabled (not a VM test)... I'll see if I can give it a try tonight. I think I've got one or two blank CDs left.... maybe. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 August 2010 11:09:51 C wrote:
When I enabled Strigi/Nepomuk on my desktop (dual core CPU, 8GB RAM, SATA2 HDs)... it really killed the system until it was done the initial indexing... I mean.. I walked away and let it finish things got that busy on the HDs. Once that was done though (took 6 or 7 minutes), it's not a problem at all.
How much memory did you allocate for Nepomuk? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.3, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.5.0 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Hey Will, others, On Thursday 19 August 2010 09:53:01 Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing.
* desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug
Noticed it, too. :/
* Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled?
Yep, that sounds good. Here's why: - we'll need it in 4.5.x anyway, when kmail2 enters the scene - deactivating strigi and activating nepomuk - ctrl+F in Dolphin is way cooler than without nepomuk - the metadata is actually really useful - Dolphin will index metadata in the current directory anyway
* Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer?
- Most definitely, been using it for months, and I think it's at least as good as KHTML, but has a wider support for websites and seems to be much faster, according to benchmarks
* Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again?
Yes, KOffice2 is not ready for prime time, shipping krita should be fine though.
Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2?
Yes, both.
Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix?
I'll think about it. :)
Will
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On Thursday 19 August 2010 09:53:01 Will Stephenson wrote:
* Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer?
Then please also fix your Qt package first. ;-) <audio> and <video> tags are currently disabled.
* Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again?
I think yes, but OO's KDE integration is currently very buggy performance-wise (after OO started it needs additional ~30 seconds to draw the GUI widgets -- confirmed on two entirely different PCs).
Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2?
Yes, please. Either with splash screens disabled or SUSE-branded. Markus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 16:45, Markus Slopianka wrote:
I think yes, but OO's KDE integration is currently very buggy performance-wise (after OO started it needs additional ~30 seconds to draw the GUI widgets -- confirmed on two entirely different PCs).
I can confirm this.. seeing it too. Switching over to OOo native dialogs is an exponential increase in performance. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine.
I missed the memo... where do I get the Build3-1? I poked http://software.opensuse.org/ and clicked "switch to Development Version" which leads me to the Wiki page http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Factory for some odd reason... if I click the link on that Wiki page "Download Factory" I'm just dropped back to the same Wiki page. Maybe that's the "wrong" way to get Build 3-1, but.. regardless.. I can't see any way to get any development builds of openSUSE... I just loop back to the Wiki Portal. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 August 2010 17:05:12 C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine.
I missed the memo... where do I get the Build3-1?
I poked http://software.opensuse.org/ and clicked "switch to Development Version" which leads me to the Wiki page http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Factory for some odd reason... if I click the link on that Wiki page "Download Factory" I'm just dropped back to the same Wiki page.
Maybe that's the "wrong" way to get Build 3-1, but.. regardless.. I can't see any way to get any development builds of openSUSE... I just loop back to the Wiki Portal.
C.
The memo was basically a bunch of talk on irc so far while we get it sorted out. It's not published to mirrors/download.opensuse.org yet but you can get it with "osc getbinaries KDE:Medias kde-reloaded images i586" (using your build.opensuse.org login, which should be the same as your bugzilla and other Novell credentials). Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 August 2010 09:53:01 Will Stephenson wrote:
Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix?
I noticed with openSUSE 11.3 and KDE 4.5 that in the power management module you no longer can configure your cpu options to performance/ondemand/powersave. This worked with the 4.4.5 packages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
I noticed with openSUSE 11.3 and KDE 4.5 that in the power management module you no longer can configure your cpu options to performance/ondemand/powersave. This worked with the 4.4.5 packages.
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the reason: Contrary to common sense clocking the CPU down all the time does not inprove battery life because tasks take longer to calculate. AFAIK the battery life improves when the CPU accelerates while performing tasks to finish them fast and then clocks down once the tasks are done. If you really have to manually set the clock speed for whatever reason, you can assign commands to power profiles and set the speed by executing cpufreq-set from cpufrequtils. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net> wrote:
Contrary to common sense clocking the CPU down all the time does not inprove battery life because tasks take longer to calculate. AFAIK the battery life improves when the CPU accelerates while performing tasks to finish them fast and then clocks down once the tasks are done.
I've noticed that the scheme drop-down box still hasn't been fixed. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 August 2010 00:31:45 Jon Nelson wrote:
I've noticed that the scheme drop-down box still hasn't been fixed.
I've fixed it (well, worked around) in 4.5.1. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 August 2010 23:45:00 Markus Slopianka wrote:
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the reason:
I actually wasn't trying to clock down the cpu but rather set the cpu from ondemand(default on plugged in mode) to performance so it's always at full throttle since that is best for me. Like I said I could easily do this before, however with 4.5.0 packages the option is missing. Would be great if that could be fixed... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 07:39:58 schrieb Divan Santana:
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the reason: I actually wasn't trying to clock down the cpu but rather set the cpu from ondemand(default on plugged in mode) to performance so it's always at full
On Thursday 19 August 2010 23:45:00 Markus Slopianka wrote: throttle since that is best for me. Like I said I could easily do this before, however with 4.5.0 packages the option is missing. Would be great if that could be fixed...
That won't happen because it is not a bug. You will have to search the kde (not opensuse-kde) mailinglists archives for the explanation but the setting did not make sense, neither for increasing cpu performance nor for saving battery. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:58:59 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 07:39:58 schrieb Divan Santana:
On Thursday 19 August 2010 23:45:00 Markus Slopianka wrote:
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the
reason:
I actually wasn't trying to clock down the cpu but rather set the cpu from ondemand(default on plugged in mode) to performance so it's always at full throttle since that is best for me. Like I said I could easily do this before, however with 4.5.0 packages the option is missing. Would be great if that could be fixed...
That won't happen because it is not a bug. You will have to search the kde (not opensuse-kde) mailinglists archives for the explanation but the setting did not make sense, neither for increasing cpu performance nor for saving battery.
actually it makes sense for bugs like this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13486 also in regard to rogue processes consuming 100%CPU (if you notice that within a minute, having the CPU on low power will probably have consumed much less energy) but ideally I'd agree with this setting being removed (having to execute a possibly unknown (to the user) command for this is also not ideal - especially if the feature has been around before) Nico
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 10:10:42 schrieb Nico Kruber:
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:58:59 Sven Burmeister wrote:
That won't happen because it is not a bug. You will have to search the kde (not opensuse-kde) mailinglists archives for the explanation but the setting did not make sense, neither for increasing cpu performance nor for saving battery.
actually it makes sense for bugs like this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13486
That would make it a tool to work around bugs in other applications.
also in regard to rogue processes consuming 100%CPU (if you notice that within a minute, having the CPU on low power will probably have consumed much less energy)
See above. If it only makes sense on buggy systems that have process going crazy it does not make sense for the normal use case, i.e. working on a stable system. KDE is meant for the normal use case.
but ideally I'd agree with this setting being removed (having to execute a possibly unknown (to the user) command for this is also not ideal - especially if the feature has been around before)
Those that consider this useful because of their buggy system/apps etc. can still use the command line to force on the CPU whatever they want. It's the same as with overclocking your CPU. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 August 2010 10:10:42 Nico Kruber wrote:
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:58:59 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 07:39:58 schrieb Divan Santana:
On Thursday 19 August 2010 23:45:00 Markus Slopianka wrote:
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the
reason:
I actually wasn't trying to clock down the cpu but rather set the cpu from ondemand(default on plugged in mode) to performance so it's always at full throttle since that is best for me. Like I said I could easily do this before, however with 4.5.0 packages the option is missing. Would be great if that could be fixed...
That won't happen because it is not a bug. You will have to search the kde (not opensuse-kde) mailinglists archives for the explanation but the setting did not make sense, neither for increasing cpu performance nor for saving battery.
Indeed, it's a red herring, even the kernel devs advised removing it, so we did. Use ondemand.
actually it makes sense for bugs like this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13486
also in regard to rogue processes consuming 100%CPU (if you notice that within a minute, having the CPU on low power will probably have consumed much less energy)
Applications that rely on the CPU frequency being constantare so eighties. Ask their developers to fix them. I'm not willing to optimize the UI for applications that hang, either. Notice that I'm not saying it's impossible to set the CPU to a specific governor, the power management KCM still support that. We only removed misleading options from the UI, users that want them can still emulate it using scripts triggered by powerdevil.
but ideally I'd agree with this setting being removed (having to execute a possibly unknown (to the user) command for this is also not ideal - especially if the feature has been around before)
Not feature, but *misfeature*, judging by contemporary Linux kernel and CPU characteristics. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 23 August 2010 13:28:35 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
On Friday 20 August 2010 10:10:42 Nico Kruber wrote:
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:58:59 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 07:39:58 schrieb Divan Santana:
On Thursday 19 August 2010 23:45:00 Markus Slopianka wrote:
AFAIK this was a concious decision and if I'm not mistaken, this is the
reason:
I actually wasn't trying to clock down the cpu but rather set the cpu from ondemand(default on plugged in mode) to performance so it's always at full throttle since that is best for me. Like I said I could easily do this before, however with 4.5.0 packages the option is missing. Would be great if that could be fixed...
That won't happen because it is not a bug. You will have to search the kde (not opensuse-kde) mailinglists archives for the explanation but the setting did not make sense, neither for increasing cpu performance nor for saving battery.
Indeed, it's a red herring, even the kernel devs advised removing it, so we did. Use ondemand.
actually it makes sense for bugs like this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13486
also in regard to rogue processes consuming 100%CPU (if you notice that within a minute, having the CPU on low power will probably have consumed much less energy)
Applications that rely on the CPU frequency being constantare so eighties. Ask their developers to fix them.
I'm not willing to optimize the UI for applications that hang, either.
Notice that I'm not saying it's impossible to set the CPU to a specific governor, the power management KCM still support that. We only removed misleading options from the UI, users that want them can still emulate it using scripts triggered by powerdevil.
but ideally I'd agree with this setting being removed (having to execute a possibly unknown (to the user) command for this is also not ideal - especially if the feature has been around before)
Not feature, but *misfeature*, judging by contemporary Linux kernel and CPU characteristics.
Cheers,
well, I can live with it (and work around if needed) - just wanted to add some of my experience with this "feature" and how (possibly not only I) was using it... Possibly someone could wrap this up into a plasmoid - that way it's still accessible but not by default... Remember, there are a lot of such "battery optimisation tools" around in the Windows-world, too - a user might look out for it... Nico
On Friday 20 August 2010 07:39:58 Divan Santana wrote:
Would be great if that could be fixed...
I already explained how you can fix it yourself -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing.
* desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug * Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled? * Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer? * Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again? Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2?
Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix?
OK, fired up 3-1. I could not find/burn a deal CD, so opted for USB. Wrote the USB using Studio Imagewriter - this app should be part of the default software on all future openSUSE installs. No problems writing to USB. I tried out the LiveCD on an Asus EEE PC 1005HA-H. Intentionally selected a low end netbook so that if there any issues with Nepomuk/Strigi they will be noticeable.. more so on low end than high end PCs. On boot I get an error message (after the desktop is loaded): ------------------- Nepomuk was not able to find the configured database backend 'redland'. Existing data cannot be accessed. For data security reasons Nepomuk will be disabled until the situation has been resolved manually. ------------------- So, with this error, Nepomuk is not started, and I can't really test to see if there is any impact from having it enabled - honestly I don't expect any impact anyway. Nepomuk/Strigi is working very well in the default 11.3 as it is, and on a LiveCD install, it's not like there are thousands of files to index anyway. The Desktop Folder view is set to /home/linux not /home/linux/Desktop. Intentional? The 11.2 Quickstart Guide is included in /home/linux No 11.3 guide available? Adding a Wireless connection seems... not right. I click the network icon in the systray, and Wireless is enabled, but I don't see the usual options for connecting to my WiFi (eg no Connect to Other Network menu choice)... all that's there is a blank menu option (no text) a dividing line, and then Enable wireless, and Manage Connections. I can open the Configure-KDE Control Module window and configure my WiFi connection... so did that. Now, Connect to Other Network shows up, but the configured WiFi connection is not available - there is still a blank menu item on the Network context menu. If I click that, I get a popup that says "Unavailable". If I click on Connect to Other Network I can select the connection i just defined, but it does nothing - no connection... just silently fails. So... no WiFi connection... something is broken here... note that WiFi works perfectly on this Asus EEE with a default 11.3/KDE4.4.4 install. This is what I see right away... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 20. August 2010, 12:00:37 schrieb C:
Adding a Wireless connection seems... not right. I click the network icon in the systray, and Wireless is enabled, but I don't see the usual options for connecting to my WiFi (eg no Connect to Other Network menu choice)... all that's there is a blank menu option (no text) a dividing line, and then Enable wireless, and Manage Connections.
I can open the Configure-KDE Control Module window and configure my WiFi connection... so did that. Now, Connect to Other Network shows up, but the configured WiFi connection is not available - there is still a blank menu item on the Network context menu. If I click that, I get a popup that says "Unavailable". If I click on Connect to Other Network I can select the connection i just defined, but it does nothing - no connection... just silently fails.
So... no WiFi connection... something is broken here... note that WiFi works perfectly on this Asus EEE with a default 11.3/KDE4.4.4 install.
I did not know this also happened for KDE 4.5, I thought it was only KDE 4.6 that caused that issue. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243987 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 August 2010 12:00:37 C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53, Will Stephenson wrote:
Great work by Alin and Javier - I just tried Build3-1 and it looks fine. What are the remaining bits of polish it needs? Let's build a list so when it we make a splash about it it's a-mazing. Please all join in and suggest things needing fixing.
* desktop:/ still crashes in FolderView when run in a VM. This is hard to debug * Strigi is activated by default, and we disabled it in 11.3 to placate the angry brigade. Leave it off and keep Nepomuk enabled? * Set WebKitPart as the default HTML renderer? * Package selection - it's currently more KDE 4 Live than openSUSE 11.3. Should we replace KOffice with OpenOffice.org again? Digikam? Amarok 2.3.2?
Any more issues we noticed in the Live Image or read about in others' blogs we can fix?
OK, fired up 3-1. I could not find/burn a deal CD, so opted for USB. Wrote the USB using Studio Imagewriter - this app should be part of the default software on all future openSUSE installs. No problems writing to USB. I tried out the LiveCD on an Asus EEE PC 1005HA-H. Intentionally selected a low end netbook so that if there any issues with Nepomuk/Strigi they will be noticeable.. more so on low end than high end PCs.
Looks like you somehow started an older 11.2 based build. A couple of questions to confirm that: What does /etc/SuSE-release contain? Is the package soprano-backend-redland installed at all? Did you get it with osc getbinaries or from a mirror? Did you dd the right iso to the usb stick?
On boot I get an error message (after the desktop is loaded): ------------------- Nepomuk was not able to find the configured database backend 'redland'. Existing data cannot be accessed. For data security reasons Nepomuk will be disabled until the situation has been resolved manually. -------------------
So, with this error, Nepomuk is not started, and I can't really test to see if there is any impact from having it enabled - honestly I don't expect any impact anyway. Nepomuk/Strigi is working very well in the default 11.3 as it is, and on a LiveCD install, it's not like there are thousands of files to index anyway.
The Desktop Folder view is set to /home/linux not /home/linux/Desktop. Intentional?
This is /home/linux/Desktop in the build 3-1 I have running here...
The 11.2 Quickstart Guide is included in /home/linux No 11.3 guide available?
11.3 on my build.
Adding a Wireless connection seems... not right. I click the network icon in the systray, and Wireless is enabled, but I don't see the usual options for connecting to my WiFi (eg no Connect to Other Network menu choice)... all that's there is a blank menu option (no text) a dividing line, and then Enable wireless, and Manage Connections.
Sounds like the older version of knetworkmanager that didn't work nicely with libqdbusmenu.
I can open the Configure-KDE Control Module window and configure my WiFi connection... so did that. Now, Connect to Other Network shows up, but the configured WiFi connection is not available - there is still a blank menu item on the Network context menu. If I click that, I get a popup that says "Unavailable". If I click on Connect to Other Network I can select the connection i just defined, but it does nothing - no connection... just silently fails.
So... no WiFi connection... something is broken here... note that WiFi works perfectly on this Asus EEE with a default 11.3/KDE4.4.4 install.
This is what I see right away...
C.
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:45, Will Stephenson wrote:
Looks like you somehow started an older 11.2 based build. A couple of questions to confirm that:
Hmmmm... pebkac is alive and well here :-) The osc getbinaries command didn't work for me for some reason the first time I tried it (gave me 404 errors), so... I thought I'd be smart and go in via the web interface... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Medias/images/iso/ and... I picked the one that said Build 3.1... Clearly not the right ISO. So.. tried osc again, and this time and it worked... DLed the *right* iso this time... KDE-reloaded.i686-4.5.0-Build3.1.iso Trying the boot again... (from USB written by the Studio writer application) This time I get an error No devices matches MBR identifier <unreadable> ! rebootException: error consoles at Alt-F3/F4 rebootException: reboot in 120 sec... Time to go digging to see what went wrong and where. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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