Re: [suse-kde] Second KDE desktop on F8
Irrrrks......
is it possible, that starting a new X session when locking the screen is the
wanted behavior??????
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48537
Then how is the wanted way to get back to your old session? Killing the X
session with the KDM by using CTRL-ALT-Backspace????
Daniel
Zitat von Stefan Schlörholz
Hello,
since I upgraded to KDE 3.0.4 on my SuSE 7.3 I am bothered by KDE when working on text konsole.
Everytime when the screensaver goes active I am disturbed on my text konsole (after having worked with KDE and switched to e.g. tty1 by Ctrl-Alt-F1). When the screensaver switches on on the (now passive) KDE while worlking on tty1 I get the graphical kdm login prompt.
When switching back to tty1 (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and to KDE (Alt-F7) I get the password prompt for my sreensaver. After entering it I get the KDE desktop as wanted.
When I lock the screen from within KDE I also the kdm login prompt.
Amasingly when I enter my password in this login prompt (no matter if I come from tty1 or KDE) I get a new KDE session which resides on F8. I can switch from to the other with Ctrl-Alt-F7 or F8 respectively.
Since I am disturbed on the tty's by always being switched to the kdm login and since I do not want to have two KDE sessions running I would like to have the behavior I had before upgrading to 3.0.4.
Can anybody help me out here since I do not have an idea which processes are called and hence where to modify. Let me what additional information you need.
cu
Stefan
On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:02, Daniel Eckl wrote:
Irrrrks......
is it possible, that starting a new X session when locking the screen is the wanted behavior??????
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48537
Then how is the wanted way to get back to your old session? Killing the X session with the KDM by using CTRL-ALT-Backspace????
No. You only get a new session if you press the huge 'Start New Session' button to the right of where you type your password to unlock your screen. I get back to my normal session just fine, typing in my passwork and hitting the enter key. You should read what the button says. Admitted, this could be usability problem, as many people automatically and blindly press the single button present in order to confirm their action. Perhaps an extra button - 'Unlock screen' - would draw the user's attention to a choise to be made. If you do send yourself to a new session, you can end that sessoin by logging out, choosing the option 'Log on as an other user'. That will end the new session and send you directly back to your olde session. Here is another usability issue. It is problematic the way one can end the new session in as much as it is not at all obvious that 'Logging on as an other user' will take you directly to the previous session. Hence, people don't know how to get back, panicking to get out of where they are, pressing key combinations like Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. They would be helped by an (additional) option 'Return to previous session (end current session)' And... Normal behaviour for 'Logging in as an other user' is to take you to a login prompt, which does not happen when you choose to do that from an extra session. I would suggest that when there are multiple sessions in the air, the 'Log on as an other user' option is replaced by some 'Return to previous session' option. This should lead the user unsurprised through an orderly logout from all sessions before trying to shut down the computer. Best regards :o) Johnny :o)
Zitat von Johnny Ernst Nielsen
On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:02, Daniel Eckl wrote:
Irrrrks......
is it possible, that starting a new X session when locking the screen is the wanted behavior??????
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48537
Then how is the wanted way to get back to your old session? Killing the X session with the KDM by using CTRL-ALT-Backspace????
No. You only get a new session if you press the huge 'Start New Session' button to the right of where you type your password to unlock your screen. I get back to my normal session just fine, typing in my passwork and hitting the enter key.
You should read what the button says.
Fine. So you are talking about 3.1, I think. But this is the list suse-kde and SuSE didn't release 3.1 packages. We are talking about 3.0.4. And there is no "Start New Session" button. You click the button "Lock Screen" on your kicker panel and you will be kicked to a new X session with a new kdm. Nothing else. So there is only one question: How can I configure this behavior? Daniel
Good day Daniel,
Irrrrks......
is it possible, that starting a new X session when locking the screen is the wanted behavior??????
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48537
Then how is the wanted way to get back to your old session? Killing the X session with the KDM by using CTRL-ALT-Backspace????
No. You only get a new session if you press the huge 'Start New Session' button to the right of where you type your password to unlock your screen. I get back to my normal session just fine, typing in my passwork and hitting the enter key.
You should read what the button says.
Fine. So you are talking about 3.1, I think.
No. I am talking about 3.0.5.
But this is the list suse-kde and SuSE didn't release 3.1 packages.
I know, and I know :o)
We are talking about 3.0.4.
So it seems I am one service release ahead of you. Perhaps that accounts for the difference. I am using SuSE Linux 8.1 Professional and I am using only the offical patches that SuSE has released. The ones you can get at using YOU. As of yesterday the newest officiel SuSE KDE patch was 3.0.4, with an additional security patch that bumps the core KDE to 3.0.5. So, my control centre's openings screen proclaims I am using 3.0.4. However when I open the control centre's about box it says: KDE Control Centre 3.0.4 (Using KDE 3.0.5)
And there is no "Start New Session" button. You click the button "Lock Screen" on your kicker panel and you will be kicked to a new X session with a new kdm. Nothing else.
I am sorry I made assumptions. I shouldn't have done that. However... What you decribe does not happen on my computer. When I click the 'Lock Screen' icon on my kicker, my Screen is locked. Nothing more - nothing less.
So there is only one question:
Perhaps we should considder altenative questions, like... Is your system fully up to date?
How can I configure this behavior?
Did you apply the KDE 3.0.5 patch? What does your Control Centre's about box tell you? Assuming you didn't, perhaps the behaviour you describe is a bug in 3.0.4 which has been fixed in 3.0.5. (I wouldn't know for sure.) Best regards :o) Johnny :o)
Okay, this evening I will try to _only_ install the new kdebase3 and kdelibs3
packages from
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0.5/SuSE/ix86/7.3/
since they are also built by SuSE it should give no problem... But who ever
knows......
Please wish me good luck... :)
Daniel
Zitat von Johnny Ernst Nielsen
Assuming you didn't, perhaps the behaviour you describe is a bug in 3.0.4 which has been fixed in 3.0.5. (I wouldn't know for sure.)
Hello, @Daniel, I also use SuSE 7.3 and I also do not have a button "start new session" and my system as updated yesterday with the most actual packages available for SuSE 7.3. Whenever the screensaver came up I was prompted by kdm for a new login. No matter if I was in KDE or on a ttyx session. I posted the thread yesterday and as of early this morning Leendert posted a solution on this list which works perfectly. In case you did not get it here his words: ------- Edit /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/Xservers: Put a comment mark (#) in front of the following lines: :1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt8 :2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 vt9 :3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 vt10 :4 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :4 vt11 :5 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :5 vt12 restart your X session, and wait for the screensaver... -------- @Leendert, thank you very much for your help. One more thing, where do people like you get these kind of information? I don't find literature on KDE and its internals and how to tweak them. As soon as you get beyond the basics (how to ove your mouse etc.) you quickkly end up in programming under KDE etc. There is nothing in between like information useful for the problem you solved for me and others. BTW I do not have an item in my KDE-menu saying "start new session" Is this in 3.0.5 as reported on several replies in this thread? cu Stefan
Hi Stefan! Thank you for this excellent piece of information. Greets, Daniel Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2002 18:06 schrieb Stefan Schlörholz:
Hello,
@Daniel, I also use SuSE 7.3 and I also do not have a button "start new session" and my system as updated yesterday with the most actual packages available for SuSE 7.3. Whenever the screensaver came up I was prompted by kdm for a new login. No matter if I was in KDE or on a ttyx session.
I posted the thread yesterday and as of early this morning Leendert posted a solution on this list which works perfectly. In case you did not get it here his words: ------- Edit /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/Xservers:
Put a comment mark (#) in front of the following lines: :1 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt8 :2 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 vt9 :3 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :3 vt10 :4 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :4 vt11 :5 local reserve /usr/X11R6/bin/X :5 vt12
restart your X session, and wait for the screensaver... --------
@Leendert, thank you very much for your help. One more thing, where do people like you get these kind of information? I don't find literature on KDE and its internals and how to tweak them. As soon as you get beyond the basics (how to ove your mouse etc.) you quickkly end up in programming under KDE etc. There is nothing in between like information useful for the problem you solved for me and others. BTW I do not have an item in my KDE-menu saying "start new session" Is this in 3.0.5 as reported on several replies in this thread?
cu
Stefan
Stefan Schlörholz writes:
BTW I do not have an item in my KDE-menu saying "start new session" Is this in 3.0.5 as reported on several replies in this thread?
I just tried this out - it starts a new X-session with graphic login as advertised; there seems to be a 60 second time-out that kills the session if no login. I also could get back to my old session with Ctrl-Alt-F7. -- Kevin Pfeiffer International University Bremen
Zitat von Johnny Ernst Nielsen
I am talking about 3.0.5.
We are talking about 3.0.4.
So it seems I am one service release ahead of you. Perhaps that accounts for the difference. As of yesterday the newest officiel SuSE KDE patch was 3.0.4, with an additional security patch that bumps the core KDE to 3.0.5.
Hmmmmm, that sounds reasonable. There's only one problem: I'm using SuSE 7.3 and there is no patch package or similar for KDE3. ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_7.3/base/
Perhaps we should considder altenative questions, like... Is your system fully up to date?
Yes, it is... by all means it concerns packages provided by SuSE for my SuSE version.
How can I configure this behavior? Did you apply the KDE 3.0.5 patch?
See above.
Assuming you didn't, perhaps the behaviour you describe is a bug in 3.0.4 which has been fixed in 3.0.5. (I wouldn't know for sure.)
I hope so... But theres no changelog entry for this subject.... http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_0_4to3_0_5.html Hmmmm... Is here anybody from SuSE reading? Adrian? Do you know something about that? Greets, Daniel
I am talking about 3.0.5.
We are talking about 3.0.4. Did you apply the KDE 3.0.5 patch? I had this problem with KDE 3.0.4 in SuSE 8.0 with some packages named 3.0.5. I think I got them using apt-get.
The problem was that pressing the Lock button throwed me out to a login prompt. Not funny... Then I installed 8.1, and I'm still in Love...
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