[opensuse-kde] Konq4 menu fonts smaller than other menu fonts under KDE3
Yesterday on a limited space (4.8G /) test system I installed 11.4/Tumbleweed/KDE3. I locked out via zypper and/or YaST2 as much of KDE4 as I could get away with, but need Konq4 for testing. I can't find any way to change Konq menu fonts, apparently 9pt, which I presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png zypper se system produced no result for systemsettings without some form of appendage to kde3. From systemsettings(kde3) for fonts I see only the kcontrol fonts page (with most fonts as previously set via kcontrol->fonts to 10pt), not the one for systemsettings(kde4), which is distinctly different by including "Small" as one of the font types. kcmshell4 --list shows nothing including the word "font", unlike on my other 11.4 systems running KDE 4.6. Output of that command to file is only 2020 bytes, compared to same run under KDE4 DTE at 5906 bytes. How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps & Geckos in KDE3? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:00, Felix Miata <mrmazda@...> wrote:
Yesterday on a limited space (4.8G /) test system I installed 11.4/Tumbleweed/KDE3. I locked out via zypper and/or YaST2 as much of KDE4 as I could get away with, but need Konq4 for testing.
I can't find any way to change Konq menu fonts, apparently 9pt, which I presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png
zypper se system produced no result for systemsettings without some form of appendage to kde3. From systemsettings(kde3) for fonts I see only the kcontrol fonts page (with most fonts as previously set via kcontrol->fonts to 10pt), not the one for systemsettings(kde4), which is distinctly different by including "Small" as one of the font types. kcmshell4 --list shows nothing including the word "font", unlike on my other 11.4 systems running KDE 4.6. Output of that command to file is only 2020 bytes, compared to same run under KDE4 DTE at 5906 bytes.
How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps & Geckos in KDE3?
Fonts in KDE(3,4) are usually written/configured in ~/.kderc Question to look for: do you have a ~/.kde3rc, and/or ~/.kde4rc ? the entries you look for are: [code] font=Name_of_font,size,other_attr menuFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr taskbarFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr toolBarFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr [/code] if your entries for toolBarFont and menuFont differ, this could be the solution. Yamaban (who is keen on keeping any KDE3 out of his KDE4 inst, b/c of similar.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 19:15 (GMT+0200) yamaban composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Yesterday on a limited space (4.8G /) test system I installed 11.4/Tumbleweed/KDE3. I locked out via zypper and/or YaST2 as much of KDE4 as I could get away with, but need Konq4 for testing.
I can't find any way to change Konq menu fonts, apparently 9pt, which I presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png
zypper se system produced no result for systemsettings without some form of appendage to kde3. From systemsettings(kde3) for fonts I see only the kcontrol fonts page (with most fonts as previously set via kcontrol->fonts to 10pt), not the one for systemsettings(kde4), which is distinctly different by including "Small" as one of the font types. kcmshell4 --list shows nothing including the word "font", unlike on my other 11.4 systems running KDE 4.6. Output of that command to file is only 2020 bytes, compared to same run under KDE4 DTE at 5906 bytes.
How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps& Geckos in KDE3?
Fonts in KDE(3,4) are usually written/configured in ~/.kderc
It exists.
Question to look for: do you have a ~/.kde3rc, and/or ~/.kde4rc ?
Neither exist.
the entries you look for are: [code] font=Name_of_font,size,other_attr menuFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr taskbarFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr toolBarFont=Name_of_font,size,other_attr [/code]
if your entries for toolBarFont and menuFont differ, this could be the solution.
They match. Only taskbarFont is smaller, 9, instead of 10 for all others. ~/.config/Trolltech.conf is also set to 10. I wonder if it's actually using 10, but with a DPI of 96 in its UI instead of 120? Another look with Rekonq also open: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/browserDPIoS114KDE3.png I can't find a way to make Rekonq display any main menu, but you can see it's ignoring the desktop's DPI like Opera, Safari & IE do, and Gecko would like to. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:56, Felix Miata <mrmazda@...> wrote:
On 2011/04/11 19:15 (GMT+0200) yamaban composed:
Felix Miata wrote: <snip>
presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png <snip> They match. Only taskbarFont is smaller, 9, instead of 10 for all others.
~/.config/Trolltech.conf is also set to 10.
I wonder if it's actually using 10, but with a DPI of 96 in its UI instead of 120?
Another look with Rekonq also open: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/browserDPIoS114KDE3.png
I can't find a way to make Rekonq display any main menu, but you can see it's ignoring the desktop's DPI like Opera, Safari & IE do, and Gecko would like to.
After looking around in my backups a little (my actual system is cleaned of any kde3) I haven't found anything that could have caused this. Esp. the rekonq dpi mismatch. Q: do you have any Gnome/GTK apps installed beyond Firefox? If yes, some app could have written some gtk config file, that interferes here ( like ~/.gtkrc-2.0 , or some entry in .gconf/* ) Also a possiblity is a theme problem KDE3 / KDE4. If you look at it, it seems Konqueror/4.6 pulls in a Gnome-Icon-Theme? Same as Rekonq? Dunno whats the cause of this. Yamaban, who sadly can't help more than this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 20:31 (GMT+0200) Yamaban composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/04/11 19:15 (GMT+0200) yamaban composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png
They match. Only taskbarFont is smaller, 9, instead of 10 for all others.
~/.config/Trolltech.conf is also set to 10.
I wonder if it's actually using 10, but with a DPI of 96 in its UI instead of 120?
Another look with Rekonq also open: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/browserDPIoS114KDE3.png
I can't find a way to make Rekonq display any main menu, but you can see it's ignoring the desktop's DPI like Opera, Safari& IE do, and Gecko would like to.
After looking around in my backups a little (my actual system is cleaned of any kde3) I haven't found anything that could have caused this. Esp. the rekonq dpi mismatch.
You're behind on the state of browser development. All WebKit apps are hard coded to a 3/4 ratio between pt and px. Rekonq is just doing the only thing it can do, like Google Chrome and Safari. By default, v2.0 & up Geckos want to do the same thing, but the Mozilla folks gave stylists a back door to keep pt honest for those who need it be be honest. Look under the hood of http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html and you can see that's how I got Firefox to display desktop DPI instead of pretending 96. Everything there sized in pt is also sized in mozmm, which is understood only by Gecko v2.0 & up, and supercedes the pt sizes. KHTML & pre-v2 Gecko are sizing pt according to desktop DPI and Gecko 2 is sizing via mozmm according to desktop DPI, but Rekonq is sizing according to its standard hard-coded bogus DPI of 96.
Q: do you have any Gnome/GTK apps installed beyond Firefox?
Only SeaMonkey and whatever deps were pulled in by FF & SM, which is no small list of Gnome/GTK junk.
If yes, some app could have written some gtk config file, that interferes here ( like ~/.gtkrc-2.0 , or some entry in .gconf/* )
~/.gtkrc* does not exist. ~/.gconf/ is empty. ~/.gconfd/ contains only saved_state.
Also a possiblity is a theme problem KDE3 / KDE4.
# rpm -q | grep theme dmz-icon-theme-cursors-11.2.0-2.1.noarch gnome-icon-theme-2.31.0-3.1.noarch gnome-icon-theme-extras-2.30.1-5.1.noarch gnome-icon-theme-symbolic-2.31.0-4.1.noarch gtk2-metatheme-sonar-11.3.0-13.1.noarch hicolor-icon-theme-0.12-10.1.noarch hicolor-icon-theme-branding-openSUSE-11.4-10.2.noarch metatheme-sonar-common-11.3.0-13.1.noarch oxygen-icon-theme-4.6.0-3.1.noarch oxygen-icon-theme-scalable-4.6.0-3.1.noarch sonar-icon-theme-11.3.1-13.1.noarch sound-theme-freedesktop-0.7-8.1.noarch yast2-theme-openSUSE-2.20.3-3.1.noarch
If you look at it, it seems Konqueror/4.6 pulls in a Gnome-Icon-Theme?
rpm -q | grep gnome produces 10 hits, 3 of them including "icon". Same of gtk is 12 hits, including kcm_gtk & kde3-gtk-qt-engine.
Same as Rekonq? Dunno whats the cause of this.
If you're referring to the DPI thing rather than the thread topic, browser devs don't like their own browsers to behave very differently than others, or stupidly or naively designed web pages to be broken: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/08/css_units_chang.html The small Konq4 menu fonts could conceivably be fallout, though due to the viewport results in it, I doubt it. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Yesterday on a limited space (4.8G /) test system I installed 11.4/Tumbleweed/KDE3. I locked out via zypper and/or YaST2 as much of KDE4 as I could get away with, but need Konq4 for testing.
I can't find any way to change Konq menu fonts, apparently 9pt, which I presume must be controlled via systemsettings for KDE4. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/konq460-kde3-fonts.png
zypper se system produced no result for systemsettings without some form of appendage to kde3. From systemsettings(kde3) for fonts I see only the kcontrol fonts page (with most fonts as previously set via kcontrol->fonts to 10pt), not the one for systemsettings(kde4), which is distinctly different by including "Small" as one of the font types. kcmshell4 --list shows nothing including the word "font", unlike on my other 11.4 systems running KDE 4.6. Output of that command to file is only 2020 bytes, compared to same run under KDE4 DTE at 5906 bytes.
How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps & Geckos in KDE3?
I am not clear from your email, did you try personal settings -> application appearance -> fonts ? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 16:00 (GMT-0400) todd rme composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps& Geckos in KDE3?
I am not clear from your email, did you try personal settings -> application appearance -> fonts ?
That's what's known broken. Personal settings opens KControl, which has nothing to select and is thus useless. The path I took was Konsole -> kcmshell fonts, which wrote ~./kderc containing my font selections, 7 (font) content lines plus one header. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 13:00 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:
How do I get Konq4 to use the same menu fonts as KDE3 apps& Geckos in KDE3?
Ilya provided a path to get there in another thread. ~/.kde4/shar/config/kdeglobals controls the fonts Konq4 uses. That either has to be created or copied manually, or kdebase4-workspace must be installed, and the abundance of baggage that goes with it, just to have systemsettings for KDE4 to use to create that file in normal fashion. Here's the one it created for me: <kdeglobals> [$Version] update_info=kded.upd:kde3.0,kaccel.upd:kde3.3/r1,mouse_cursor_theme.upd:kde3.4.99 [General] XftAntialias=true XftHintStyle=hintmedium XftSubPixel=none desktopFont=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 fixed=Monospace,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 font=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 menuFont=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 smallestReadableFont=Sans Serif,9,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 taskbarFont=Sans Serif,8,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 toolBarFont=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 [WM] activeFont=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0 </kdeglobals> Surely there must be some location to change the system wide default from the current 9, to 10, which IIRC is what openSUSE's default was up through around 11.2. Where would that location be? I was able to find no template named /[usr,var]/*/kdeglobals containing any fonts entries. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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