On Saturday 11 September 2010 20:05:34 todd rme wrote:

Avogadro allows kalzium to display and edit molecular models, a pretty useful tool especially for scientists. However, it is a build-time dependency, and it is not present in the KDE Distro repositories or the base openSUSE repositories, meaning openSUSE's version of Kalzium does not support it. This is understandable since avodgadro did not build for recent Qt versions, so it was not possible build it on more recent openSUSE releases. I have fixed this problem, so avogadro now builds successfully.

Normally this would not be that big a deal, someone could just link avogadro from its current home in OBS Education and modify the spec file (I could even do that). The problem is that avogadro also has several build-time and run-time dependencies that are not found in KDE Distro or the base openSUSE repositories, they are only found in OBS education. So, if my understanding is correct, getting avogadro to build successfully would require adding those dependencies to KDE Distro as well. Is that acceptable? I could do this easily enough, but I don't want to unless I have some idea whether it would be accepted or not.

I guess a more general question is: should we be trying to get as many of the optional features of the packages working as possible, she would only limit it to critical features or those that can be built from the default openSUSE repos, or should it be handled on a case-by-case basis? Another example is xplanet, which provides support for rendering the 7 other planets in kstars but is only found in the hamradio repo.

Giving the general answer (which is also valid for the Avogadro case): Yes, we should be trying to build as much of our upstreams as possible, where not prohibited for other reasons (eg legal ones). The limiting factors are the presence of maintainers and the available space on the distribution media, so reduce the scope of dependencies and split packages where possible so that optional stuff can remain on the network repos only. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Dne So 11. září 2010 13:05:34 todd rme napsal(a):

Avogadro allows kalzium to display and edit molecular models, a pretty useful tool especially for scientists. However, it is a build-time dependency, and it is not present in the KDE Distro repositories or the base openSUSE repositories, meaning openSUSE's version of Kalzium does not support it. This is understandable since avodgadro did not build for recent Qt versions, so it was not possible build it on more recent openSUSE releases. I have fixed this problem, so avogadro now builds successfully.

Normally this would not be that big a deal, someone could just link avogadro from its current home in OBS Education and modify the spec file (I could even do that). The problem is that avogadro also has several build-time and run-time dependencies that are not found in KDE Distro or the base openSUSE repositories, they are only found in OBS education. So, if my understanding is correct, getting avogadro to build successfully would require adding those dependencies to KDE Distro as well. Is that acceptable? I could do this easily enough, but I don't want to unless I have some idea whether it would be accepted or not.

I guess a more general question is: should we be trying to get as many of the optional features of the packages working as possible, she would only limit it to critical features or those that can be built from the default openSUSE repos, or should it be handled on a case-by-case basis? Another example is xplanet, which provides support for rendering the 7 other planets in kstars but is only found in the hamradio repo.

-Todd

Hi, from point of view of user and researcher, I'd really appreciate to have as much (scientific) packages as possible (well, I can not build it myself, I'm not a programmer) - to allow me to center to my work and not playing with system... ;-) Thank You for any such package! Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://web.natur.cuni.cz/~zeisek/