Re: [opensuse-kde] Re: How do root applications get their theme data?
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12:50 PM dh wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:45:44 AM Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Op 21-11-11 22:26, Roger Luedecke schreef:
On Monday, November 21, 2011 01:17:57 PM Peter Vollebregt wrote:
On 11/21/2011 12:33 AM, Steven Sroka wrote: >> 2011/11/20 dh <mesamoo115@comcast.net>: >> >> On Sunday, November 20, 2011, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>> 2011/11/20 Krzysztof Żelechowski <giecrilj@stegny.2a.pl>: >> ----------snip------------
Linux is also different here, Root is a user and not an administrative mode.
Peter
Right. But if we can't make apps launched as root honor any of the desktop users settings then it makes sense to make sure it is looking out of place on purpose.
I'm not sure what you mean here. It seems that you are saying that when running an application as su (kdesu someapp) that the users preferences should take precedence. If this is what you are saying then I disagree.
When user1 runs an application as user2, they "become" user2 and user2's preferences should be in effect for that instance as much as possible. Except for window borders that seems to be what we currently have. Or am I missing something?
see ya dh
I think you are missing something. As we currently have it, it is set to all default oxygen. So 'kdesu someapp' will look just like everything else... until you change your preferences.
I guess it's been so long since I changed my root users prefs that I just assumed the defaults looked somewhat similar to a regular users defaults.
My primary point here is that it should either take the desktop users settings so it will be able to adapt appropriately from default and not look broken, or if it must look different from the users normal apps then make it very very deliberate. As it currently stands, it looks like a bug. And if the goal is to express the utility and danger of running a program as root, then why was it themed with Oxygen in the first place? ANd if themeing with Oxygen was to make it look native, then why the insistence that it shouldn't take the users changes?
"why the insistence that it shouldn't take the users changes?" Because it is not the regular user, it is root. Beyond this point I believe we are in agreement. I see your point about the conflict between consistancy and awareness. In the pre kdesu (sux) days, it was more difficult to run gui programs as su, when you logged in as root, you were greeted w/ a nice red bomb background. A background that was completely different from the default user themes. I don't want a "fuggly" root theme that I need to fix. I think your second option "it must look different from the users normal apps", "make it very very deliberate". I totally agree that the look should be different enough that it does not appear to be a mistake. I think this could be achieved with just a change in the default color schemes. I want consistant widgets, but that's just me. I kind of like the look of the Windows Server 2008 (administrator) gui, but I don't want my linux (admin) box to look like that. (at least by default) See ya dh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:29, dh <mesamoo115@...> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12:50 PM dh wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:45:44 AM Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Op 21-11-11 22:26, Roger Luedecke schreef:
On Monday, November 21, 2011 01:17:57 PM Peter Vollebregt wrote: > On 11/21/2011 12:33 AM, Steven Sroka wrote: >>> 2011/11/20 dh <mesamoo115@comcast.net>: >>> On Sunday, November 20, 2011, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>>> 2011/11/20 Krzysztof Żelechowski <giecrilj@stegny.2a.pl>: >>> ----------snip------------ "why the insistence that it shouldn't take the users changes?" Because it is not the regular user, it is root. Beyond this point I believe we are in agreement.
I see your point about the conflict between consistancy and awareness. In the pre kdesu (sux) days, it was more difficult to run gui programs as su, when you logged in as root, you were greeted w/ a nice red bomb background. A background that was completely different from the default user themes.
I don't want a "fuggly" root theme that I need to fix. I think your second option "it must look different from the users normal apps", "make it very very deliberate". I totally agree that the look should be different enough that it does not appear to be a mistake. I think this could be achieved with just a change in the default color schemes. I want consistant widgets, but that's just me.
I kind of like the look of the Windows Server 2008 (administrator) gui, but I don't want my linux (admin) box to look like that. (at least by default)
See ya dh
A proposal: for the root user (/root/.*): In addemum to the predefined 'root'/bomb background, deploy also a color scheme that's different from the standard. For both, Gnome/GTK and KDE/QT. On a clean install, this would give the root login on X11 (/Wayland) a uniqe clearly different look. The same 'look' would be given to the apps a other user calls via kdesu / xdg-su / sudo. The trick to this is to prepopulate roots Home-Dir with the needed data during the install. Best would be a script that can be used/called later to 'reset' roots GUI look, also, e.g. after an Update / Dist-Upgrade. Nice would it be to announce the availibitiy of such a tool via a mail to 'root@localhost' for example. Just my 2ct on this, cheers, Yamaban.
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:57:35 AM Yamaban wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:29, dh <mesamoo115@...> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12:50 PM dh wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:45:44 AM Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Op 21-11-11 22:26, Roger Luedecke schreef: > On Monday, November 21, 2011 01:17:57 PM Peter Vollebregt wrote: >> On 11/21/2011 12:33 AM, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>> 2011/11/20 dh <mesamoo115@comcast.net>: >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2011, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>>>> 2011/11/20 Krzysztof Żelechowski <giecrilj@stegny.2a.pl>: >>>> ----------snip------------
"why the insistence that it shouldn't take the users changes?" Because it is not the regular user, it is root. Beyond this point I believe we are in agreement.
I see your point about the conflict between consistancy and awareness. In the pre kdesu (sux) days, it was more difficult to run gui programs as su, when you logged in as root, you were greeted w/ a nice red bomb background. A background that was completely different from the default user themes.
I don't want a "fuggly" root theme that I need to fix. I think your second option "it must look different from the users normal apps", "make it very very deliberate". I totally agree that the look should be different enough that it does not appear to be a mistake. I think this could be achieved with just a change in the default color schemes. I want consistant widgets, but that's just me.
I kind of like the look of the Windows Server 2008 (administrator) gui, but I don't want my linux (admin) box to look like that. (at least by default)
See ya dh
A proposal: for the root user (/root/.*): In addemum to the predefined 'root'/bomb background, deploy also a color scheme that's different from the standard. For both, Gnome/GTK and KDE/QT.
On a clean install, this would give the root login on X11 (/Wayland) a uniqe clearly different look. The same 'look' would be given to the apps a other user calls via kdesu / xdg-su / sudo.
The trick to this is to prepopulate roots Home-Dir with the needed data during the install. Best would be a script that can be used/called later to 'reset' roots GUI look, also, e.g. after an Update / Dist-Upgrade.
Nice would it be to announce the availibitiy of such a tool via a mail to 'root@localhost' for example.
Just my 2ct on this, cheers, Yamaban. Agreed. For consistency across the GTK-KDE divide propose widget theme uses QtCurve or GTK theme is applied to KDE apps. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Yamaban wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:29, dh <mesamoo115@...> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12:50 PM dh wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:45:44 AM Peter Vollebregt wrote:
Op 21-11-11 22:26, Roger Luedecke schreef: > On Monday, November 21, 2011 01:17:57 PM Peter Vollebregt wrote: >> On 11/21/2011 12:33 AM, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>> 2011/11/20 dh <mesamoo115@comcast.net>: >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2011, Steven Sroka wrote: >>>>>> 2011/11/20 Krzysztof Żelechowski <giecrilj@stegny.2a.pl>: >>>> ----------snip------------
"why the insistence that it shouldn't take the users changes?" Because it is not the regular user, it is root. Beyond this point I believe we are in agreement.
I see your point about the conflict between consistancy and awareness. In the pre kdesu (sux) days, it was more difficult to run gui programs as su, when you logged in as root, you were greeted w/ a nice red bomb background. A background that was completely different from the default user themes.
I don't want a "fuggly" root theme that I need to fix. I think your second option "it must look different from the users normal apps", "make it very very deliberate". I totally agree that the look should be different enough that it does not appear to be a mistake. I think this could be achieved with just a change in the default color schemes. I want consistant widgets, but that's just me.
I kind of like the look of the Windows Server 2008 (administrator) gui, but I don't want my linux (admin) box to look like that. (at least by default)
See ya dh
A proposal: for the root user (/root/.*): In addemum to the predefined 'root'/bomb background, deploy also a color scheme that's different from the standard. For both, Gnome/GTK and KDE/QT.
On a clean install, this would give the root login on X11 (/Wayland) a uniqe clearly different look. The same 'look' would be given to the apps a other user calls via kdesu / xdg-su / sudo.
The trick to this is to prepopulate roots Home-Dir with the needed data during the install. Best would be a script that can be used/called later to 'reset' roots GUI look, also, e.g. after an Update / Dist-Upgrade.
Nice would it be to announce the availibitiy of such a tool via a mail to 'root@localhost' for example.
Just my 2ct on this, cheers, Yamaban.
Plus 1 as they say see ya dh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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