X-server crash during new HW recognition/configuration and freeze up of Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird with later update of suse 9.1 and new 9.2
hi all since late suse 9.1 and now on suse 9.2 i have repeated apps freeze up for apps like Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird mail editor ( every session !! ) to lesser degree evolution mail editor on my Acer TravelMate 6003LCi always current YOU update the problem started about 6-8 weeks ago and was NEVER encountered on suse early 9.0 or any other version before one more x-server problem - may be same cause ? new USB mouse or other USB hardware such as my wacom tablet intuos2 if i connect new a.m. hardware the pop up appears "new hardware discovered" do you want to configure ... when i click YES -- i get an instant X-server crash each time for both a.m. HW since it never occurred before ... could it be that it is caused by the new suse used xorg instead of the previous xfree86 ? what about changing from xorg back to xfree86 ?? any experience and if YES which packages need to be exchanged ? Google search so far has no results the problem with apps freeze up occurs permanently - MANY times a day sometimes after a few URLs of browsing after minutes soemtimes it takes as much as 10 or more minutes - again and again sometimes even without activity - just after a break of several minutes the problem with email editor freeze up occurs almost ever email - after a few lines or any time later during writing mails any help welcome Christmas greetings to all hans -- Cyberspace Ashram http://www.kriyayoga.com
On Monday 13 December 2004 1:27 pm, Hans Neukomm wrote:
hi all
since late suse 9.1 and now on suse 9.2 i have repeated apps freeze up for apps like
Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird mail editor ( every session !! ) to lesser degree evolution mail editor
on my Acer TravelMate 6003LCi always current YOU update the problem started about 6-8 weeks ago and was NEVER encountered on suse early 9.0 or any other version before
new USB mouse or other USB hardware such as my wacom tablet intuos2 Try running without any USB devices plugged in. If it doesn't lock up in email or browser then we have a clue.
if i connect new a.m. hardware the pop up appears "new hardware discovered" do you want to configure ... when i click YES -- i get an instant X-server crash each time for both a.m. HW
since it never occurred before ... could it be that it is caused by the new suse used xorg instead of the previous xfree86 ? Doubtful. Stick with xorg. More likely there is a video card driver issue.
what about changing from xorg back to xfree86 ?? No. Don't bother. xorg seems to have better drivers and support. any experience and if YES which packages need to be exchanged ?
Google search so far has no results
the problem with apps freeze up occurs permanently - MANY times a day sometimes after a few URLs of browsing after minutes soemtimes it takes as much as 10 or more minutes - again and again sometimes even without activity - just after a break of several minutes This usually points to a driver conflict. Most often video since your other clues point in that direction also.
hans
Stay with xorg. Double check your video driver configuration. Run without any external USB devices attached. Your symptoms point to a driver conflict somewhere. Or you may have bad hardware. When you have a lockup can you do anyting like a Ctrl+Alt+F10 to see if there are any error messages? Stan
On Monday 13 Dec 2004 19:48, Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Monday 13 December 2004 1:27 pm, Hans Neukomm wrote:
hi all
since late suse 9.1 and now on suse 9.2 i have repeated apps freeze up for apps like
Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird mail editor ( every session !! ) to lesser degree evolution mail editor
on my Acer TravelMate 6003LCi always current YOU update the problem started about 6-8 weeks ago and was NEVER encountered on suse early 9.0 or any other version before
new USB mouse or other USB hardware such as my wacom tablet intuos2
Try running without any USB devices plugged in. If it doesn't lock up in email or browser then we have a clue.
if i connect new a.m. hardware the pop up appears "new hardware discovered" do you want to configure ... when i click YES -- i get an instant X-server crash each time for both a.m. HW
since it never occurred before ... could it be that it is caused by the new suse used xorg instead of the previous xfree86 ?
Doubtful. Stick with xorg. More likely there is a video card driver issue.
what about changing from xorg back to xfree86 ??
No. Don't bother. xorg seems to have better drivers and support.
any experience and if YES which packages need to be exchanged ?
Google search so far has no results
the problem with apps freeze up occurs permanently - MANY times a day sometimes after a few URLs of browsing after minutes soemtimes it takes as much as 10 or more minutes - again and again sometimes even without activity - just after a break of several minutes
This usually points to a driver conflict. Most often video since your other clues point in that direction also.
hans
Stay with xorg. Double check your video driver configuration. Run without any external USB devices attached. Your symptoms point to a driver conflict somewhere. Or you may have bad hardware. When you have a lockup can you do anyting like a Ctrl+Alt+F10 to see if there are any error messages?
Stan
Not a solution but perhaps some more inform that might help to diagnose the problem. I get an x-server "crash" every time I attempt to use gtk-gnutella. By going on to another machine, I can ssh into the "crashed" machine and when I run top, I discover that X is using excess of 99.5% of the cpu. I've also discovered that I can keep X from going haywire by running xine, even if I'm not watching anything. I've seen similar behaviour on both of my machines. On the "crashed" machine there is no keyboard response so can't do Ctrl+Alt+F10 or anything else. I can kill the process from the remote machine using kill -3. This returns me to the login screen and everything is back to normal for a while. I'm assuming this is related to the above problem and hoping that the extra info helps in some way. Eddie
:-) so id did what you recommended i forced say2 to reread all hardware and got a surprise i knew for sure that i had a correct LCD display configured once in summer when i bought this machine new i am sure because i knew since years that sax loves to see laptops often as VESA instead of LCD displays but for whatever reason during the course of previous updates somehow my original config was change back into a VESA config may be because a months ago my motherboard crashed and i got a knew one ... whatever the exact point of change in config was - yesterday i had to reconfigure all and now for half day it seems to work it didn't have much time yet to test and work as i was busy all night and all day to work on a resort hotels wireless network just for fun the crash of x-server when new hardware is detected also stopped !! another plus point showing that with one major change many symptoms have disappeared i also have installed red-carpet again - to get a few newer updates - newer than newest suse versions and since suse, ximian and red carpet all are in one house = novell .. it even calls suse-config after each install of updates so it seems all the major problems have disappeared now thanks for your help !! if all is fine through the next days - then i will reconfirm in a few days again - just in case someone has the same problem later on happy Christmas time to all - thanks for your valuable help hans Cyberspace Ashram http://www.kriyayoga.com On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 08:09 +0000, eddie wrote:
On Monday 13 Dec 2004 19:48, Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Monday 13 December 2004 1:27 pm, Hans Neukomm wrote:
hi all
since late suse 9.1 and now on suse 9.2 i have repeated apps freeze up for apps like
Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird mail editor ( every session !! ) to lesser degree evolution mail editor
on my Acer TravelMate 6003LCi always current YOU update the problem started about 6-8 weeks ago and was NEVER encountered on suse early 9.0 or any other version before
new USB mouse or other USB hardware such as my wacom tablet intuos2
Try running without any USB devices plugged in. If it doesn't lock up in email or browser then we have a clue.
if i connect new a.m. hardware the pop up appears "new hardware discovered" do you want to configure ... when i click YES -- i get an instant X-server crash each time for both a.m. HW
since it never occurred before ... could it be that it is caused by the new suse used xorg instead of the previous xfree86 ?
Doubtful. Stick with xorg. More likely there is a video card driver issue.
what about changing from xorg back to xfree86 ??
No. Don't bother. xorg seems to have better drivers and support.
any experience and if YES which packages need to be exchanged ?
Google search so far has no results
the problem with apps freeze up occurs permanently - MANY times a day sometimes after a few URLs of browsing after minutes soemtimes it takes as much as 10 or more minutes - again and again sometimes even without activity - just after a break of several minutes
This usually points to a driver conflict. Most often video since your other clues point in that direction also.
hans
Stay with xorg. Double check your video driver configuration. Run without any external USB devices attached. Your symptoms point to a driver conflict somewhere. Or you may have bad hardware. When you have a lockup can you do anyting like a Ctrl+Alt+F10 to see if there are any error messages?
Stan
Not a solution but perhaps some more inform that might help to diagnose the problem. I get an x-server "crash" every time I attempt to use gtk-gnutella. By going on to another machine, I can ssh into the "crashed" machine and when I run top, I discover that X is using excess of 99.5% of the cpu. I've also discovered that I can keep X from going haywire by running xine, even if I'm not watching anything. I've seen similar behaviour on both of my machines. On the "crashed" machine there is no keyboard response so can't do Ctrl+Alt+F10 or anything else. I can kill the process from the remote machine using kill -3. This returns me to the login screen and everything is back to normal for a while. I'm assuming this is related to the above problem and hoping that the extra info helps in some way.
Eddie
several days now i am free of the previously experienced very frequent x-server crashes and browser ( mozilla and firefox ) freeze ups apparently the x-server crash was the result of a wrong HW detection/configuration by YAST while the browser freeze ups had powersaved as the only cause after i switched OFF powersaved those browser freeze ups stopped i have still some freeze ups - but different nature and in NEVER with firefox or mozilla browser again as before. the only daily repeated freeze up is presently with quanta editor having no more powersaved however may be no permanent solution as i run a laptop and of course loved the newly working feature of suspend to disk ... but at least i can work again . hans Hans Neukomm wrote:
:-)
so id did what you recommended i forced say2 to reread all hardware and got a surprise i knew for sure that i had a correct LCD display configured once in summer when i bought this machine new i am sure because i knew since years that sax loves to see laptops often as VESA instead of LCD displays
but for whatever reason during the course of previous updates somehow my original config was change back into a VESA config may be because a months ago my motherboard crashed and i got a knew one ...
whatever the exact point of change in config was - yesterday i had to reconfigure all and now for half day it seems to work it didn't have much time yet to test and work as i was busy all night and all day to work on a resort hotels wireless network just for fun
the crash of x-server when new hardware is detected also stopped !! another plus point showing that with one major change many symptoms have disappeared
i also have installed red-carpet again - to get a few newer updates - newer than newest suse versions and since suse, ximian and red carpet all are in one house = novell .. it even calls suse-config after each install of updates
so it seems all the major problems have disappeared now
thanks for your help !!
if all is fine through the next days - then i will reconfirm in a few days again - just in case someone has the same problem later on
happy Christmas time to all - thanks for your valuable help
hans
Cyberspace Ashram http://www.kriyayoga.com
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 08:09 +0000, eddie wrote:
On Monday 13 Dec 2004 19:48, Stan Glasoe wrote:
On Monday 13 December 2004 1:27 pm, Hans Neukomm wrote:
hi all
since late suse 9.1 and now on suse 9.2 i have repeated apps freeze up for apps like
Mozilla, firefox and thunderbird mail editor ( every session !! ) to lesser degree evolution mail editor
on my Acer TravelMate 6003LCi always current YOU update the problem started about 6-8 weeks ago and was NEVER encountered on suse early 9.0 or any other version before
new USB mouse or other USB hardware such as my wacom tablet intuos2
Try running without any USB devices plugged in. If it doesn't lock up in email or browser then we have a clue.
if i connect new a.m. hardware the pop up appears "new hardware discovered" do you want to configure ... when i click YES -- i get an instant X-server crash each time for both a.m. HW
since it never occurred before ... could it be that it is caused by the new suse used xorg instead of the previous xfree86 ?
Doubtful. Stick with xorg. More likely there is a video card driver issue.
what about changing from xorg back to xfree86 ??
No. Don't bother. xorg seems to have better drivers and support.
any experience and if YES which packages need to be exchanged ?
Google search so far has no results
the problem with apps freeze up occurs permanently - MANY times a day sometimes after a few URLs of browsing after minutes soemtimes it takes as much as 10 or more minutes - again and again sometimes even without activity - just after a break of several minutes
This usually points to a driver conflict. Most often video since your other clues point in that direction also.
hans
Stay with xorg. Double check your video driver configuration. Run without any external USB devices attached. Your symptoms point to a driver conflict somewhere. Or you may have bad hardware. When you have a lockup can you do anyting like a Ctrl+Alt+F10 to see if there are any error messages?
Stan
Not a solution but perhaps some more inform that might help to diagnose the problem. I get an x-server "crash" every time I attempt to use gtk-gnutella. By going on to another machine, I can ssh into the "crashed" machine and when I run top, I discover that X is using excess of 99.5% of the cpu. I've also discovered that I can keep X from going haywire by running xine, even if I'm not watching anything. I've seen similar behaviour on both of my machines. On the "crashed" machine there is no keyboard response so can't do Ctrl+Alt+F10 or anything else. I can kill the process from the remote machine using kill -3. This returns me to the login screen and everything is back to normal for a while. I'm assuming this is related to the above problem and hoping that the extra info helps in some way.
Eddie
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