Hi I've just had the displeasure of installed 10.1. It is full of gnome stuff - where has the normal KDE YOU gone? This some stupid updater in the tray where SuseWatcher used to be and you can't kill it. I cant seem to find anyway to update to KDE3.5.2. Sorry - i'm in rant mode - looks like i'll be going back to 9.3 - back to the land of total KDE. Ian
ianseeks wrote:
Hi
I've just had the displeasure of installed 10.1. It is full of gnome stuff - where has the normal KDE YOU gone? This some stupid updater in the tray where SuseWatcher used to be and you can't kill it.
There has never been a KDE YOU, what are you talking about? YaST is written in its own scripting language, and there is a frontend in Qt and one in ncurses, but nothing KDE. And of course you can kill the systray updater. Do you have any specific complaints about it, or do you just sit around running 'ldd'? If you have problems with it, bugzilla.novell.com is your friend
I cant seem to find anyway to update to KDE3.5.2.
Or indeed anything else. There aren't any supplementaries for 10.1 yet. Be patient
Sorry - i'm in rant mode - looks like i'll be going back to 9.3 - back to the land of total KDE.
There has never been anything "total KDE" in suse
There has never been a KDE YOU, what are you talking about? YaST is written in its own scripting language, and there is a frontend in Qt and one in ncurses, but nothing KDE.
KDE/QT to me, in essence, is the same thing.
And of course you can kill the systray updater.
How do you kill the systray updater? There is no right-click menu to allow you to do anything to it. I would prefer to have Suse Watcher back in the tray.
Do you have any specific complaints about it, or do you just sit around running 'ldd'? Me running 'ldd'? - nope i don't think i have knowingly run that. The new Updater certainly seems like a Gnome program judging by the button locations i.e. following the Gnome HIG and the fonts are so small they are unreadable to me - nothing in the Control Centre seems change their sizes. Its opposite to the KDE way. Where is the usability in that?
Or indeed anything else. There aren't any supplementaries for 10.1 yet. Be patient I will have to be that.
On Sunday 14 May 2006 19:56, Anders Johansson wrote:
ianseeks wrote:
Hi
I've just had the displeasure of installed 10.1. It is full of gnome stuff - where has the normal KDE YOU gone? This some stupid updater in the tray where SuseWatcher used to be and you can't kill it.
There has never been a KDE YOU, what are you talking about? YaST is written in its own scripting language, and there is a frontend in Qt and one in ncurses, but nothing KDE.
And of course you can kill the systray updater.
Do you have any specific complaints about it, or do you just sit around running 'ldd'?
If you have problems with it, bugzilla.novell.com is your friend
I cant seem to find anyway to update to KDE3.5.2.
Or indeed anything else. There aren't any supplementaries for 10.1 yet. Be patient
Sorry - i'm in rant mode - looks like i'll be going back to 9.3 - back to the land of total KDE.
There has never been anything "total KDE" in suse
ianseeks wrote:
There has never been a KDE YOU, what are you talking about? YaST is written in its own scripting language, and there is a frontend in Qt and one in ncurses, but nothing KDE.
KDE/QT to me, in essence, is the same thing.
It's not, though. Themes and other stuff have different impacts on Qt and KDE. I hear that the integration will be tighter in KDE4, but for now they are separate KDE is based on Qt, but that doesn't mean they are identical. KDE adds a lot of stuff on top
And of course you can kill the systray updater.
How do you kill the systray updater? There is no right-click menu to allow you to do anything to it. I would prefer to have Suse Watcher back in the tray.
Are we talking about the same thing? The icon in the systray that looks like a globe? If I right-click on that I get a menu with three options: Configure, refresh and Quit. Choosing Quit will....well....quit
ianseeks wrote:
I would prefer to have Suse Watcher back in the tray.
Incidentally, the new updater will do something that susewatcher never did. It will inform you of updates in all your configured repositories. So for example if you have packman added as a repo, it will tell you when stuff has been updated on packman. susewatcher was only ever for Online Update
On Sunday 14 May 2006 20:23, Anders Johansson wrote:
ianseeks wrote:
I would prefer to have Suse Watcher back in the tray.
Incidentally, the new updater will do something that susewatcher never did. It will inform you of updates in all your configured repositories. So for example if you have packman added as a repo, it will tell you when stuff has been updated on packman. susewatcher was only ever for Online Update
Thanks for all your replies and tips. I originally didn;t have the right-click menu. I've since updated the Nvidia driver and re-logged on and now I've got the menu and the fonts are readable now. I still don't like the Gnome format. And I'd prefer that they developed Suse Watcher to do the same things this updater does but I guess Novell are going to do their level best to remove as much of KDE as possible. I've used Suse from Ver 6 but it looks like I may make this my last. I usually download and try before I buy but I think the buying bit won't happen this time, Its not been a good day. I had to install rather than update because the update collapsed after the reboot from Disk one and it ended up in ncurses Yast and then would not accept any more CDs even though it prompted for them. Ian
On Sunday 14 May 2006 21:23, Anders Johansson wrote:
Incidentally, the new updater will do something that susewatcher never did. It will inform you of updates in all your configured repositories. So for example if you have packman added as a repo, it will tell you when stuff has been updated on packman. susewatcher was only ever for Online Update
What it also does is run on 100% CPU usage for a minute (I checked that). I did not like that at all, and that's the reason why /I/ disabled it. But I have to say, what I miss this way is tempting... Cheers, Leen
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 14:03, Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 14 May 2006 21:23, Anders Johansson wrote:
Incidentally, the new updater will do something that susewatcher never did. It will inform you of updates in all your configured repositories. So for example if you have packman added as a repo, it will tell you when stuff has been updated on packman. susewatcher was only ever for Online Update
What it also does is run on 100% CPU usage for a minute (I checked that). I did not like that at all, and that's the reason why /I/ disabled it.
But I have to say, what I miss this way is tempting...
Cheers,
Leen
What I have found is that rug and/or zmd constantly thrashed my laptop. I even edited the /etc/rc.d/novell-zmd file and set the spawning of zmd to priority 19. This allowed me to use the laptop, but as soon as the system was idle, zmd began to thrash again. Very annoying! So, I just uninstalled rug and zmd and now the system works great. I'm not sure what caused them to thrash, I just know that, so far, uninstalling them hasn't broke anything (yet). Alvin -- Please reply to the list and not my email address. Thank you.
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 11:14, Alvin Beach wrote:
What I have found is that rug and/or zmd constantly thrashed my laptop. I even edited the /etc/rc.d/novell-zmd file and set the spawning of zmd to priority 19. This allowed me to use the laptop, but as soon as the system was idle, zmd began to thrash again. Very annoying! So, I just uninstalled rug and zmd and now the system works great. I'm not sure what caused them to thrash, I just know that, so far, uninstalling them hasn't broke anything (yet).
Hi All, When I first installed SUSE 10.1, I had problems with the new 'online update' system loading down my system and being very uninformative (i.e. cryptic.) After reading a couple of posts on SLE, I uninstalled the following packages: suseRegister rug zen-updater zmd libzypp-zmd-backend (maybe I kept this one due to dependencies?) Then I added the following installation sources in YaST: Base system: http://{mirror}/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source http://{mirror}/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source The "unofficial" supplementary KDE 3.5.2 'level a' upgrade: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.1/yast-source Bug fixes and security patches: ftp://{mirror}/pub/suse/i386/update/10.1 Packman packages repository: http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.1 Guru's packages repository: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/10.1 I upgraded KDE to 3.5.2 'level a' and added all the packages I wanted from Packman and Guru. I did all of this manually using YaST's "Software Management" module. Once everything was stable, I reinstalled the previously removed set of new 'online update' packages. Then, from the KDE main menu, I selected 'System' > 'Configuration' and the 'Update Software' program. It launched, loaded in the taskbar and proceeded to refresh the sources. This took about 10 minutes (1.5Mbit/512Kbit ADSL) during which time it consumed, intermittently, 13% to 98% cpu... then it calmed down completely. I 'hover' my mouse pointer over the taskbar icon and it reports "There are no software updates available". I've set it now to load automatically when I boot and log into KDE. It seems to be running correctly now and I'm happy with it. Maybe, immediately after installation, these programs try to accomplish too much, too soon (concurrently, too) spoiling the new user's experience? By performing the software additions and updates manually, I made it possible for these utilities to initialize and run (or 'sync') under a very light load. hth & regards, Carl
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.1/yast-source
Bug fixes and security patches: ftp://{mirror}/pub/suse/i386/update/10.1
Hi Carl. I have done all the manually work but the above. I cannot find a mirror for that. Even not if Googling. Can You help me please ? -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Erik Jakobsen DENMARK
On Thursday 18 May 2006 15:47, Erik Jakobsen said:
Bug fixes and security patches: ftp://{mirror}/pub/suse/i386/update/10.1
I have done all the manually work but the above. I cannot find a mirror for that. Even not if Googling. Can You help me please ?
See the 'Downloads' table under http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#HTTP_or_FTP this links to http://en.opensuse.org/Mirrors_Released_Version Then you need to navigate to the start of the pub/suse/[i386| x86_64|...]/update/10.1 hierarchy on the mirror, some mirrors put the repository on different paths. Ack to Carl's lipo plan. Will
Will Stephenson wrote:
See the 'Downloads' table under
http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#HTTP_or_FTP
this links to
http://en.opensuse.org/Mirrors_Released_Version
Then you need to navigate to the start of the pub/suse/[i386| x86_64|...]/update/10.1 hierarchy on the mirror, some mirrors put the repository on different paths.
Ack to Carl's lipo plan.
Will
Hi Will. I cannot land on a place where /pub is. I have been here, but that didn't work: ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/SuSE/update/10.1/ Erik
On Thursday 18 May 2006 12:01, Erik Jakobsen wrote:
I cannot land on a place where /pub is. I have been here, but that didn't work:
ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/SuSE/update/10.1/
Hi Erik, I examined the mirror that I use: ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/i386/update/10.1 and ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/SuSE/update/10.1 The directory structure and content appear to be the same. Either the server you've selected is very busy and is timing out or you're entering the path incorrectly. Just a reminder: don't use leading or trailing '/' (slashes) in the directory field. The sources need to be entered in the following format: protocol: ftp server: mirrors.netbg.com directory: pub/suse/i386/update/10.1 regards, Carl
Carl Hartung wrote:
Hi Erik,
I examined the mirror that I use:
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/i386/update/10.1
and
ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/SuSE/update/10.1
The directory structure and content appear to be the same. Either the server you've selected is very busy and is timing out or you're entering the path incorrectly. Just a reminder: don't use leading or trailing '/' (slashes) in the directory field. The sources need to be entered in the following format:
protocol: ftp server: mirrors.netbg.com directory: pub/suse/i386/update/10.1
regards,
Carl
Hi Carl. Thanks again for your assitance. What was wrong was, that I have choosed HTTP as protoco, and had ftp. in front of the mirrors :-[ I'm aware of the leading slash(s), thanks! Now on to the rest of the job. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best regards Erik Jakobsen DENMARK
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