On Friday, 12 August 2016 14:43:05 CEST Anton Aylward wrote:
On 08/12/2016 01:52 PM, Raymond Wooninck wrote: We are making it very clear that the heavily multi-user system I talk of has been heavily custom configured; for example the accounts i have on a few such machines have me in a chroot'd jail where there are many commands that I simply don't have. The sysadmins of such systems confgure them!
And in those environments the sysadmin would provide you with the root password so that you can run kshutdown ??? In the environment that you are describing, I don't think that you would have even access to something like kshutdown and I am sure that the desktop you might be running in such environment does not have the shutdown possiblity either.
The Greybeards and Gurus here are, to put it bluntly, not newbies or neophytes. Some of still adminster multi-user systems and don't want ordinary users, even users of KDE or Gnome DMs, to shut down the system.
And those admins would provide the users with kshutdown ?? I believe that this whole discussion got blown out of proportions and nobody is actually looking at how this started. The basic question was that kshutdown is asking for the root password (when starting through the desktop file / menu) and this is not according to the upstream default. Markus has filed a change for this to follow the upstream default and having kshutdown started as root. This change got bluntly denied with just the answer "NO". As that the maintainer of the package didn't gave any further indications, he came to this mailinglist with the question what is wrong with his proposed change. And in my opinion instead of looking really at what he wrote and needed, a whole discussion was started about heavy multi- user systems where the root password is required for shutdown, etc. Do you really believe that kshutdown would fit in those environments ? And that having kshutdown asking for the root password (if at least the user is starting it through the menu) would work in the environments you describe ?? Especially if you are working in a separate environment where you do not have the possibilities to shutdown or reboot the system, I am pretty sure that you will not have the password either. I would even doubt if that user would have the access to install software. But of course I could be completely wrong and you as a sysadmin of large systems have been completely relying on tools like kshutdown to schedule the shutdown of multi-user environments. But then again, as that you are the sysadmin, would you require it to ask for the root password if you start it from the menu ?? (Especially that if you start it from the command prompt, it would just start). It would be good if people would still see the context of questions raised and stay to the topic. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org