* Carl (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020816 11:48]: :: ::Understand. :: ::I did two clean installs of 8.0 over a period of 3 weeks, immediately using ::YOU to update, and then configuring over that period. Got up to K3.0.1 . I ::really, really tried to make it work, but it was simply unusable, and now my ::boss is pissed. ::It can't mess up again. Well, I don't use YOU. I've never been quite comfortable with auto updaters. Although I'm warming up to apt quite a lot. KDE 3.0.1 was a bug fix release and it didn't fix all bugs. There have been 3 more builds of 3.0.2 which fixed quite a few bugs. One thing I would suggest is that if you were using 7.3 on these machines at work ..never upgrade the boss until you've pounded out a new release yourself. That way you don't have listen to "this doesn't work..that doesn't work..this needs fixing..etc." You can just tweak it yourself and get a handle on what needs to be done then you look like the guru you most like are in front of your boss. ::IBM Thinkpads (A2x). Suse8 was rampantly unstable. Not just K problems, but ::global (packages). Konq had major problems, PIM software, GPG... seemed like ::everything. I'm not completely familiar with all the hardware specs of that model. I guess I could look it up but I have 4 people here with IBM Thinkpads running 8.0 and it works pretty well. They only laptop that has had issues is a Dell w/ an nVidia chipset and I simply think it's the nVidia driver...because the problems occurred after an upgrade of the nVidia kernel driver and GLX package. Konq is nice..but it does have some issues. I personally use Mozilla and recommend it to everyone. It runs quite nicely in KDE. As far as PIM software that's a pretty broad subject...I'd have to know what your using.. Again GPG isn't a KDE program ..is it that your having issues getting GPG to work with KMail? ::Where do you think the problems might be? I am tenuous here. (Suse too, but ::Suse isn't talking to me... the local evangelist. Ironic) I think that you deployed SuSE 8.0 to quickly and ran in every bug they've fixed in the last 4 months. :) I wouldn't deploy a new release in a business environment until I had pounded out what was wrong or not wrong with the software myself. If your the one who will have his head on the chopping block for it..you want to make sure you don't bend over and put your head on it for the blackhood. ;) ::So, WTF is the safest thing to do? Shoot myself in the head? No...too messy. What I would do is this. Get one of these Stinkpads and do a fresh install. Then do they upgrade the old fashion way..ftp. I always recommend that people get all of "base, applications and development" in the KDE directory under supplementry just to make sure you don't have some failed dependency that will bite you later. Also if you want a good PIM ..give Evolution a try. I've got quite a few happy campers in my dept using it. They tried it themselves ..configured it themselves and love it. The PIM software I use is JPilot. It does everything I want and works quite well with my Visor. Again..please stick with a proven release for a while before upgrading others who may have your head on a chopping block. -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- Tell me what you believe..I tell you what you should see. -DP --=====-----=====--