Hello all, sorry for posting this in German at first. I mixed this up when I posted to a German list before. Here's *not* my tranlation because I understand the problem now: In KDE 3.1 the numbering order of virtual desktops changes between two orientations of kicker. Let's have an example with 12 desktops as I have configured. KDE2: 1 3 5 7 9 11 2 4 6 8 10 12 This arrangement remains constantly with no concern to position of kicker (vertical/horizontal). In contrast to the KDE2-related behaviour KDE3 rearranges the desktop numbering according to kicker orientation as follows: KDE3 with vertically oriented kicker: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 KDE3 with kicker oriented horizontally: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 While changing the arrangement geometry is just a bit strange (you could forget the desktop switcher in kicker or simply remove it) the shortcut-to-number-mapping is really inconvenient, because one has to rearrange his/her imagination of desktops in mind. An Example: Suppose you are on Desktop 1. While "Desktop up/down" for vertical arrangement switches between 1 and 3 the same shortcut for horizontal arrangement switches between 1 and 7. Having the horizontal arrangement in mind it's really confusing to use a vertical oriented kicker. A related problem is with the program kpager and vertical oriented kicker. While in kpager the desktop arrangement is constant and matches with a horizontal oriented kicker users of kpager have a permanent mismatch of desktop arrangements. For those one the only workaround at the moment would be to orient the kicker to horizontal position. To make kpager reorientable obviously wouldn't help because it would not rearrange the orientation in mind. So my appeal to KDE developers is: Please let the desktop arrangement and shortcut-to-number-mapping remain constantly if the user wishes it. May be this isn't the suitable place - if so, would anyone please tell me the right one? BTW: I would like to suggest that instead of desktop numbers a kpager should appear in the center of the screen whenever one switches the desktop with a shortcut. This would increase the convenience of visual desktop handling. An additional proposal is to embed a kpager to the desktop switcher on kicker that comes up whenever one points with the mouse on it. So mouse users could switch between desktops more convenient than it's possible with a rolling up kpager window always in front. Best regards, Thomas Michalka